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Old 11-02-2018, 06:18 PM   #1
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Question for electricians in a similar situation.

If on a prevailing wage job, say for traffic signaling / intersection work, what constitutes electrician rate vs labor rate?

Considering work included is: framing pads, drilling 10’ holes in earth, running conduits, installing bolt patterns for riser polls, installing controller and it’s service, pulling and terminating all wires, building mast arms with all its devices, etc.

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IMHO as soon as you are pulling wire and terminating them you are doing electrical work, period the end!
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Question for electricians in a similar situation.

If on a prevailing wage job, say for traffic signaling / intersection work, what constitutes electrician rate vs labor rate?

Considering work included is: framing pads, drilling 10 holes in earth, running conduits, installing bolt patterns for riser polls, installing controller and its service, pulling and terminating all wires, building mast arms with all its devices, etc.

Thanks in advance,

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You are performing electrical work therefore owed journeyman wages unless they can prove you are an indenture apprentice.

You can look up the minimum wages for your area online.

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Amazon just started paying associates more than electricians in my area.
I wonder how that goes down?
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Let me guess, you're non-union, and you're getting laborers rate, but doing electrical work, not laborer work. Because your boss thinks he can pull a fast one, and get away with it. What were you hired as? Or what job did you apply for? Contact the labor department in your state.
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IMHO as soon as you are pulling wire and terminating them you are doing electrical work, period the end!
so .....

-Digging a trench I don’t get rate?

-Pounding a ground rod I don’t get rate?

-mounting 3/4” plywood inside manhole I don’t get rate?

- cleaning my mess with broom?

I could list 1000 things we do all day......

Non union pffffff

- core drilling I don’t get rate?


To the OP, you put your tools on you get rate, I don’t care if it’s frosting cupcakes .
The garbage non union pulls on their workers.
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IMHO as soon as you are pulling wire and terminating them you are doing electrical work, period the end!
Mac, I've seen these kind of projects using DOT rates. They can do this on certian types of infrastructure and transportation jobs.
I agree it's our work but, sometimes there is a fight for it.
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To the OP, you put your tools on you get rate, I don’t care if it’s frosting cupcakes .
The garbage non union pulls on their workers.
Wrong answer.

Prevailing wages are only paid when you're on site, actually performing electrical work.

You never pay a J-man to build frames, pour concrete or pound ground rods. You never pay a J-man to install components on site.
You never pay a J-man to push a broom.
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Wrong answer.

Prevailing wages are only paid when you're on site, actually performing electrical work.

You never pay a J-man to build frames, pour concrete or pound ground rods. You never pay a J-man to install components on site.
You never pay a J-man to push a broom.
Here in Illinois it's the higher of the job title you're hired as or the work you're doing. So JWs hired would get JW rate for all the work they do unless it's for a higher paying classification.
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Wrong answer.

Prevailing wages are only paid when you're on site, actually performing electrical work.

You never pay a J-man to build frames, pour concrete or pound ground rods. You never pay a J-man to install components on site.
You never pay a J-man to push a broom.


If you are doing any electrical work, then you are an electrician and paid that rate, even when you sweep the floor.

You can't just say "Well Johnny only drove ground rods in today, so we are going to pay him as a laborer.".
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If you are doing any electrical work, then you are an electrician and paid that rate, even when you sweep the floor.

You can't just say "Well Johnny only drove ground rods in today, so we are going to pay him as a laborer.".
I remember a company on a job that thought PW was too much to pay so they had one guy be the "Mechanic" and the other guy be the laborer. They would switch each week to make it "fair".
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Question for electricians in a similar situation.

If on a prevailing wage job, say for traffic signaling / intersection work, what constitutes electrician rate vs labor rate?

Considering work included is: framing pads, drilling 10€™️ holes in earth, running conduits, installing bolt patterns for riser polls, installing controller and it€™️s service, pulling and terminating all wires, building mast arms with all its devices, etc.

Thanks in advance,

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When I was non union I worked for an electrical contractor in north nj Clifton area I was on federal Prevaling wage jobs in nyc .

The men were to scared to call Dol and make a complaint so I did and got some of the money owed to us .

So I no the laws pretty good with this area and ways crooked contractors try and get away with paying the pw wage .
Is classification is typicall

If you are doing electrical wrk then you arenot a laborer and need to be paid the journeyman rate as an electrician , if you were never in a federally approved apprentiship program .

He cannot classified you as a labore and have you do electrical wrk .

My employer would also put on my paystub bumped up hours ex

He would put down I wrked 7o hours on a 40 hour wrk week to cause confusion .

My advise save every single paystub you have you will need them if an investigation stars .

Also make shure you sign in everyday to job site and create logs of the general
Contractor , electrical contractor , and sites you wrkd on

I hate crooked contractors not scamming men outa money

I went through it the worst part is the scum bag still is allowed to do pw fed wrk in nyc after being convicted of fraud .

And is asking wrk from local 3 contractors that actually pay the pw
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If you are doing any electrical work, then you are an electrician and paid that rate, even when you sweep the floor.
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You can't just say "Well Johnny only drove ground rods in today, so we are going to pay him as a laborer.".
You don't. You have Timmy the first yr apprentice drive in ground rods. You have Timmy back at the shop build as many sub assemblies the JW's on the site are going to need. You have Todd sweep the floor, and you have both of them frame out templates for the bolt patterns.

If your having a JW do this type of work, you need to go out of business.
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If you are doing any electrical work, then you are an electrician and paid that rate, even when you sweep the floor.
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You can't just say "Well Johnny only drove ground rods in today, so we are going to pay him as a laborer.".
You don't. You have Timmy the first yr apprentice drive in ground rods. You have Timmy back at the shop build as many sub assemblies the JW's on the site are going to need. You have Todd sweep the floor, and you have both of them frame out templates for the bolt patterns.

If your having a JW do this type of work, you need to go out of business.
The contractor cannot pay Timmy first year rate if he was never in a federally approved apprentiship program . And most guys in non union never went through schooling .

So the contractor will try and miss classifie Timmy as a laborer to get around paying him jw wage
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The contractor cannot pay Timmy first year rate if he was never in a federally approved apprentiship program .
Ok, what's your point?


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And most guys in non union never went through schooling .
How much schooling does one need to push a broom and drive in a ground rod?


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So the contractor will try and miss classifie Timmy as a laborer to get around paying him jw wage
Spin it however you want.
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I work for a nonunion shop that does prevailing wage projects.



That said, this is a poorly debated topic so far, I don't agree with a few things mentioned by both sides on this. Clearly some folks have some pretty skewed views based on the environment they're in.
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The contractor cannot pay Timmy first year rate if he was never in a federally approved apprentiship program .
Ok, what's your point?


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And most guys in non union never went through schooling .
How much schooling does one need to push a broom and drive in a ground rod?


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So the contractor will try and miss classifie Timmy as a laborer to get around paying him jw wage
Spin it however you want.
It’s a pw wage job it’s not a matter of having schooling to push a broom lol.

If your on a pw job you can’t be paid less than jw wage if you were never in an apprentiship program

And cannot be paid anything else than your classifition .

That’s the hole purpose of having classifitions and rates in the first place lol
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