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Old 04-15-2012, 12:22 AM   #21
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Sorry BBQ but when your pulling 500's over 300'
And after break what are we going to do?

We likely have a dozen pullers, a couple feeders and room in the warehouse full of pulling ropes.

It is a big part of what we do.

I do feel slightly bad when I see a rope go right from being dragged through a mud puddle and back on to a spool but that feeling goes away quickly. When the rope looks rough they get tossed out.

Most of our ropes are the double braid type you and Mark describe in 3/4" and 1", we typically use larger ropes than really needed. In smaller sizes it is some other type of synthetic with low stretch.



Now on the other hand .... if I was a climber and I expected my ropes to keep me alive I would be treating them with much love.
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:30 AM   #22
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Not saying that they can't be used. Christ I've seen 1" ropes in the mud plenty of times and they just get rolled up on a spool and put away and forgotten. What sucks is as a small outfit when a rope breaks and you've only got like 4-6 guys and the wire pull is half to 3/4's of the way in it "really sucks"!! You treat your rope anyway you want but I wash mine ever night, I try to get my wife to clean it but she only does it like once a week!!
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I guess I'm really sensitive about ropes because I use them so much. I used to do tower work and solar so we used to double duty to ropes. Not to mention I'm a climber too so I guess i'm inclined to take care of whats gonna take care of me!!
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That sounds like a 5/8 rope. There really is no way to "splice" a rope. What you do is use a sheeps bend. Take the damaged part and make a loop then in the working part of the rope tie the knot into the rope, you can't pass that section through and device after though because it will hang on everything.
These are a couple of eye splices I've done and had kicking around the garage. You can join 2 ropes with the same method.
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These are a couple of eye splices I've done and had kicking around the garage. You can join 2 ropes with the same method.
You must be a boater!! I've made a bunch of "eyes" for my dad. He has a 52' Trojan on the ocean. Anyway they make a kit for making those eyes and it works wicked slick. I learned in Boy Scouts how to "whip" ends of rope but eyes are way better. Now if you can just join those two pieces of rope then you splice!!
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You must be a boater!! I've made a bunch of "eyes" for my dad. He has a 52' Trojan on the ocean. Anyway they make a kit for making those eyes and it works wicked slick. I learned in Boy Scouts how to "whip" ends of rope but eyes are way better. Now if you can just join those two pieces of rope then you splice!!
Not a boater but have pulled alot of timber out of the bush using eye splices I've made.

I have spliced 2 pieces of rope together, I dont have any with me right now but its pretty simple once you get started, just like making an eye.
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Not a boater but have pulled alot of timber out of the bush using eye splices I've made.

I have spliced 2 pieces of rope together, I dont have any with me right now but its pretty simple once you get started, just like making an eye.
Thats awsome!! I've made them by hand its a nice piece of work, its almost a lost art.....you can do the same with steel cable too. Just takes longer, I've mended just about any kind of working rope or cable, especially when on a job site thats about a hundred miles from nowhere! With steel cable if you don't have a welder on hand you cab weave it same as rope. If you do have a welder you tack the two ends of the cable and it will almost be a continuous cable.
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I have never seen a single braided rope that was made for use with cable pulling equipment? Do they make single braided rope for that use?

I do know it needs to be a "static" rope and not a "dynamic" rope when you are using it with tuggers and all that I have ever seen was double braided
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Usually "braided" rope isn't one weave its three separate ropes braided into one. To have a braid you need prime or odd sets, just like stranded wire. If you look at what you think is a single braided rope its probably three different sets of rope. Now the way to tell a cheap rope from a good rope is:
1) whats the construction of the rope, three braids, five braids, seven braids, and so on.
2) whats it made of: hemp, nylon, cotton, synthetic.
3) weight limit buy size.
4) dry rope or not treated, most dry ropes are gonna be about 25-35% more expensive but they don't absorb water witch saves weight and will not rot.
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Ok, so that's just round nylon?
absolutely NOT! using nylon rope is extremely unsafe.

it will stretch 60% before breaking, and a 1/2" nylon
rope can store enough energy to be lethal.

for most stuff, 9/16" pulling rope from greenlee, maxis,
or several other places is rated about 12,000 lbs pull
strength, and is sufficient.... i've pulled five 500's
thru 4 90's 250' with a 9/16" pull rope.
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Not to be a rope geek but any weaved rope has to be an odd number. You can't weave just two strands(just ask you wives or girlfriends) it has to be an odd number. Also the weave is what gives it strength, just like a chinese finger toy, the more you pull the tighter it gets. The cost is product of construction and stretch. ie; dynamic or static. Honestly I don't know why they even sell dynamic rope for pulling, it makes no sense to me. All a dynamic rope does is store a boat load of energy and before you know it your sitting on the floor with a blackeye wondering WTF just happened. Static is the best for pulling and rappeling....no stretch and constructed differently.
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You treat your rope anyway you want but I wash mine ever night, I try to get my wife to clean it but she only does it like once a week!!
I think you are pulling our chain.

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I know I've never heard such crap about rope. Hook the rope up to the tugger and pull.
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Better to be pullin rope than pushin it.
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absolutely NOT! using nylon rope is extremely unsafe.

it will stretch 60% before breaking, and a 1/2" nylon
rope can store enough energy to be lethal.

for most stuff, 9/16" pulling rope from greenlee, maxis,
or several other places is rated about 12,000 lbs pull
strength, and is sufficient.... i've pulled five 500's
thru 4 90's 250' with a 9/16" pull rope.
True.

When a rope stretches, it's storing energy. If this energy is released suddenly (as in breaking it), the end of said rope will come flying out of the pipe so fast it'll smash/slice/pummel anything (or anyone) in its path. The guy running the tugger is very likely to be hurt.

We use rope specifically designed for wire pulling. It doesn't stretch much, but it's also not possible to weave a new eye if the original one is cut off.
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This is the kind we use.
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True.

When a rope stretches, it's storing energy. If this energy is released suddenly (as in breaking it), the end of said rope will come flying out of the pipe so fast it'll smash/slice/pummel anything (or anyone) in its path. The guy running the tugger is very likely to be hurt.

We use rope specifically designed for wire pulling. It doesn't stretch much, but it's also not possible to weave a new eye if the original one is cut off.
A couple years ago I broke a 1 inch rope with a tugger. When the end came out of the pipe it slapped the top of my foot hard enough to swell my foot up large enough it wouldn't come out of my boot.
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Ok, so that's just round nylon?
NO!!
Use polypropylene or another type of non-stretch rope. Nylon is the last thing you will want to use.

I bought a
3/4" x 600' Dacron Combination Rope / 2 Green Tracers on Ebay for $169.00. I thought it was an excellent deal.

He has an inexpensive polypropylene for sale on his ebay site for $129.00:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-4-x-600-Ye...item3371c0fbfc
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I know I've never heard such crap about rope. Hook the rope up to the tugger and pull.
Maybe you don't realize how much people look after you..
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A rope like lots of other stuff contractors buy is a tool. Use it, abuse it, and chuck it out when the time comes. I found the supply houses stock these tools and when needed I'll buy a new one.

In 42 years I have had one rope break (3 times) and prior to using i told the EC I was working for to buy a new one, he refused and we lost a day and a half, he paid for his stupidity.
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