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Old 01-28-2014, 07:19 PM   #21
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20 times more than what? Plain rigid conduit?
Than a regular sealtite fitting
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:20 PM   #22
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I will get you the report that was sent out to us by a federal agency that did perform test on Ocal PVC GRC to back up their claim and I could not believe what I saw, it was pretty interesting to the extent and magnitude of the test describing each element that these conduits and fittings are exposed to. Don't believe what I am saying till I provide you with the memo sent out to us and other inspectors, revision of specs and issuing addendum for changes, so they want us to use T&B, Rob Roy but not Ocal.
FYI, T&B is Ocal
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I was expecting something else.....

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FYI, T&B is Ocal
I retract my statement and you are right.
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Hey Giorgio a while back you had mentioned a document about not being allowed to use Ocal. Do you know what problems you guys experienced with it? Also were you ever able to find the letter? I'd like to see it if you can share

Anyone else seeing the same things on jobs in their areas?
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I know from experience that OCAL will corrode from the inside out much earlier and faster than RobRoy.

I installed miles of OCAL in a fertilizer facility the first months of 2007 before I finally got a local supplier to start stocking some RobRoy. I went back there at there at the tail end of 2014 in nov/dec for a few random extras they needed since they are under new ownership. The OCAL in places where it's in contact with ammonium-nitrate fertilizer is becoming a hollow jump rope of pvc coating where the RobRoy is still rigid and sturdy. The RobRoy is a few months younger but I doubt that the entirety of the GRC in the OCAL rotted in a few months it happened over the past few years. In my conclusion I'll pay the difference for RobRoy and suggest it over OCAL every time. I always bid accordingly and explain why my bid may be higher and the benefit over time.
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Do you guys know if there is any difference in robroy and ocal pvc coated rigid?
If you have to ask the question, you probably would not understand the answer.

That will be all.
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If you have to ask the question, you probably would not understand the answer.

That will be all.
Your pretty helpful. What exactly makes you think he wouldn't understand? Maybe he's only ran one or the other and is looking for opinions from others.
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Old 08-09-2015, 08:00 PM   #29
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Hi ElectricianTalk Members

I've enjoyed reading this thread and thank all of you for your feedback.

Disclosure: I am with ABB and Thomas & Betts, who owns Ocal. Oh, and all opinions are my own.

Just hoping to share information about some of the items posted in this thread;

Where it's made: Ocal buys parts from other companies then does various processing, including PVC coating. Ocal meets USA ARRA American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. In other words, all manufacturing Ocal does is done in the U.S.A. Take the conduit. Pipe is purchased, then Ocal cuts, threads, galvanizes, hot dipped galvanizing the threads, bends, and coats it inside and out. The items Ocal purchases to coat can be either Made In USA or not, both are offered and both are labeled accordingly, just like other major brands. But all of it meets ARRA.

Installation training: From my experience, proper installer technique can cause a significant change in the installed life of all brands of PVC coated conduit. That's why I offer FREE Ocal installer training across the U.S.A. I, or someone from my team, will come to your shop or jobsite. This 2 hour certification includes hands-on training and uses your current tooling as we thread, bend, install and repair. If you would like this free training, please click "Email Doug Ales" in my signature. Its common that a electrical contractor will say to me, hay, were doing this at XYZ company, can their maintenance person attend too? I always say sure. That way, they know what a awesome job you do because they will know what to look for when they inspect your work. This keeps your client on your side and helps you keep the low-bidders out.

Just FYI, shipping and handling can cause damage too. I encourage clients to work with the manufacturer to suggest a stocking distributor that properly handles the PVC coated conduit.

Warranty and CEU credit: Certified installers get the benefit of a factory certificate, 5 year warranty, and electricians get a wallet card certificate. In some states, including Wisconsin, electricians and inspectors that participate in the training get C.E.U. credits accredited by the state.

Rusted product/difficult installation/defective parts I have experienced and seen this from all major brands. I recently learned from a client just how many times a person can use 4 letter words in a sentence as I was asked to come to a job-site 2+ hours drive away. I did, only to discover the product they were having an issue with was another brand. However, they would have the same issues if they had Ocal. I showed them how to secure the conduit in their chain securing tripod without damage via clamps we built with scrap conduit then how to thread the conduit without clogging their hand held power pony threader. In the training, I include my contact information, including my personal cell number which is available 24 hours a day. When I get a call, I help, just like the best of you do when your phone rings. Last week Thursday, I helped a contractor in a remote area by borrowing them a hydraulic, battery powered lug crimp tool when they had a bunch to do. I know this product, lugs, is different then the subject of this post, but I'm just using it as a example that, like you, I go the extra mile. In a different message thread I discuss counterdays and getting to know the manufacturer. This is another example where knowing the manufacturer can help you better serve your customers.

What I like best about Ocal I love the toothpaste thick Ocal HEAT CURE PVC PATCH. The regular patch, available from many brands, requires time to dry. Until it dries, it can get on your tools, gloves, and clothing. It can also take several coats of the patch to get to the thickness back to the original thickness. Apply a coat, wait for it to dry, apply another coat. Who has time for that? Who really comes back to add more coats? With the HEAT CURE PVC PATCH you apply it, smooth it out, then use a torch or heat gun to dry it in a few minutes. I have a carton of Ocal Hot Patch in Grey, SKU # PATCHT-G. Until it runs out, if you have a U.S.A address so I could mail it, ♦️♦️♦️I'll give away what I have, one kit per request♦️♦️♦️ just so you can give it a try. Just message or email me your address and what's mine is yours, until my hot patch kits are gone.

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I have one supplier that stocks ocal and another that stocks robroy. IMO robroy is a little better product, but it also cost me more, so I usually get the ocal.
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