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Old 02-20-2015, 08:25 PM   #21
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I think the only thing here that people are objecting to is the cost. I don't think its a bad idea and as long as the cost gets down close to the ones we have been using, who cares. Few people outside of facilities test them. This isn't anywhere near the problem of AFCI.
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:37 PM   #22
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I wonder how many of these are going to fail to reset after the self test quits working?

Not because the GFCI test failed, but simply because the self test circuitry failed.
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You don't understand. Every morning you get on your knees, close your eyes and express your undying love, gratitude and devotion to the Breaker Gods. Then the nuisance tripping miraculously disappears.
I don't have problems with nuisance tripping these days. Earlier on with AFCIs we did though. I just hate that they keep making this junk less and less reliable, but more and more expensive. I guess that little extra profit margin from the more expensive product is supposed to cover the warranty calls, because they manufacturer sure as heck won't pay for our labor to troubleshoot and replace the junk they can't build right. Worthless bastards, the lot of them.
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Old 02-21-2015, 05:46 AM   #24
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Wait until they come out with self test AFCIs


At this point we could do a panel with several GFP sub mains, coil and solenoid without electronics like the IEC RCDs all totaling to 1/10 the cost while both AFCI and GFCI protection is provided.


I think another on of these might be in order:
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That's it i am removing every gfci in the house and replacing them with standard duplexs. I don't need mandatory protection., i have common sense .
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That's it i am removing every gfci in the house and replacing them with standard duplexs. I don't need mandatory protection., i have common sense .
What took you so long?
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That's it i am removing every gfci in the house and replacing them with standard duplexs. I don't need mandatory protection., i have common sense .
When you take a bath with your toaster you use di water and an isolation transformer.
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It's out of control. Manufacturers are making the rules and telling us we need to comply and buy what they tell us. Im surprised that only a few others here are not drinking the koolaid and can see this. FYI. i plug my van into a standard outlet every night. i have yet to get shocked. And that after the gfci tripped once and i couldn't get it started.
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I recall the smartlok leviton gfcis. seemed many were good for only one trip .
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I have seen the plain old gfcis trip with the test function yet not trip with a tester.
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When you take a bath with your toaster you use di water and an isolation transformer.
An isolation transformer while safer can still cause a voltage gradient across the water from line to line.
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Maybe they could make GFI's that talk

Then they could sit on the HD shelf , and take jabs at all the diy'ers that'll never read the nec's blather aimed at them....

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An isolation transformer while safer can still cause a voltage gradient across the water from line to line.
That is why I said de ionized water.
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That is why I said de ionized water.
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