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Old 08-06-2014, 08:08 PM   #1
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Does anyone know where to find the requirements for the replacement of panel and breakers that have gone through a fire and have fire/smoke damage? Insurance company is requiring it on a job we're doing before they'll authorize the work. Looking for info under the BC Safety Authority code, haven't found it yet.
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Does anyone know where to find the requirements for the replacement of panel and breakers that have gone through a fire and have fire/smoke damage? Insurance company is requiring it on a job we're doing before they'll authorize the work. Looking for info under the BC Safety Authority code, haven't found it yet.
The cost to test the panel and breakers would be more than the replacement of them.
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Was there thermal damage to the equipment?

Water damage?

If the answer is no

Remove CB's Clean with an approved cleaner

Clean all insulating surfaces.

Megger panel


Install and megger, if reading deteriorates after installing CB's remove one at a time until you isolate the defective CB.

We regularly do restoration of services after water intrusion, blow up and fires.

Google NETA and NEMA for further information.

Err on the side of safety, use your eyes. verify all test and document.

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Not quite what I was looking for but thanks for the input.
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Not quite what I was looking for but thanks for the input.
What more do you want, you could hire my firm and we would do the work.

Explain what additional information you would like.

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If they are requiring it and they are paying for it what is the problem? Take the money and run.
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If they are requiring it and they are paying for it what is the problem? Take the money and run.
Or if in doubt hire a firm that specializes in this type of work
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If they are requiring it and they are paying for it what is the problem? Take the money and run.
It sounds like the insurance company wants to cheap out and replace nothing unless there is an "official" document saying it has to be replaced.

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It sounds like the insurance company wants to cheap out and replace nothing unless there is an "official" document saying it has to be replaced.

Ba$tards.
Not really, they are being prudent; would you expect them to give you a new car if you had a fender bender?

Not trying to be a PIA but I make a fair portion of my income from work such as this.
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Does anyone know where to find the requirements for the replacement of panel and breakers that have gone through a fire and have fire/smoke damage? Insurance company is requiring it on a job we're doing before they'll authorize the work. Looking for info under the BC Safety Authority code, haven't found it yet.
Can't tell you about BC Safety, but here is the ruling from MB Hydro.
They refer to 2-024 as the basis of their ruling.
Maybe it will aim you in the right direction for searching.
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ITEM NO.3 SMOKE AND WATER DAMAGE TO CIRCUIT BREAKERS
Rule 2-024 Use of Approved Equipment
CSA Audits and Investigations Department has
advised inspection authorities that circuit
breakers exposed to water or smoke damage, such as may be experienced in a flood or fire, may
not operate under overload or fault conditions.
Where circuit breakers have been so exposed
they shall be replaced or undergo factory re-certi
fication to ensure safe operation. Equipment
taken out of service and deemed unsuitable for use should be destroyed in the presence of the
electrical inspector or by the factory.
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Chances are if you have to debate this its a replacer. Panels are cheap over liability.
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Does anyone know where to find the requirements for the replacement of panel and breakers that have gone through a fire and have fire/smoke damage? Insurance company is requiring it on a job we're doing before they'll authorize the work. Looking for info under the BC Safety Authority code, haven't found it yet.
It seems as though you may be wanting to salvage the components. if possible. The insurance company will not assume the risk if you say they are good enough to re use. The fact that you say that they have incurred fire damage speaks loudly. If that is the case you want to look at replacing the feed wires to the panel as well. Don't take the risk trying to save a customer ...or yourself money.
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Not really, they are being prudent; would you expect them to give you a new car if you had a fender bender?

Not trying to be a PIA but I make a fair portion of my income from work such as this.
Well, you're a smart guy amongst smart a$$es so I'm going to say "thank you" for teaching me something today .
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And then nothing form the OP.

I love post like this.
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It sounds like the insurance company wants to cheap out and replace nothing unless there is an "official" document saying it has to be replaced.

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Does anyone know where to find the requirements for the replacement of panel and breakers that have gone through a fire and have fire/smoke damage? Insurance company is requiring it on a job we're doing before they'll authorize the work. Looking for info under the BC Safety Authority code, haven't found it yet.
http://www.necanet.org/docs/default-...t.pdf?sfvrsn=0
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I have very slowly started to do work for Belfor in my area and their stance is either replace or the liability is yours if there is a question about damage. I do have to say I have to side with them as they pay me, but also because society is so lawyer friendly.
I mean as far as testing maybe on larger stuff but not on resi stuff.
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