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Old 03-01-2017, 10:38 AM   #21
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Code in only for electrician who have pulled permits. Code is meaningless to a homeowner. They are not bound by it nor is there any jurisdiction to enforce it.

Someone can put whatever they want in front of their panel. A picture or mirror is a very common thing.
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:10 AM   #22
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Code in only for electrician who have pulled permits. Code is meaningless to a homeowner. They are not bound by it nor is there any jurisdiction to enforce it.

Someone can put whatever they want in front of their panel. A picture or mirror is a very common thing.
Plus, on top of a washing machine is a good place to put your tool bag and assorted junk when you're doing panel work .
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Except when it comes time to sell and or the town comes to visit after the sale.
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Except when it comes time to sell and or the town comes to visit after the sale.
The new owners could worry about moving the picture, mirror, or washing machine
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Those kinds of things sure. In response to your statement of about code not applying to homeowners, I ment much worse hackery than that.
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Those kinds of things sure. In response to your statement of about code not applying to homeowners, I ment much worse hackery than that.
Here, when selling a house the fire inspector comes in and checks for a few things before issuing the CO. The only electrical items I have seen them check for are working GFCI's and smokes.

They don't enforce the NEC.
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Here, when selling a house the fire inspector comes in and checks for a few things before issuing the CO. The only electrical items I have seen them check for are working GFCI's and smokes.

They don't enforce the NEC.
How about when someone gets killed or injured due to the HO's hackery? Would code violations have any bearing on the amount awarded survivors?

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Here, when selling a house the fire inspector comes in and checks for a few things before issuing the CO. The only electrical items I have seen them check for are working GFCI's and smokes.

They don't enforce the NEC.
Even houses that have been built for decades or just new ones?
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How about when someone gets killed or injured due to the HO's hackery? Would code violations have any bearing on the amount awarded survivors?

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I never mentioned liability in a lawsuit nor do I care to now. Go start your own thread if you want to pick silly things apart, this is about being able to hang a picture in front of an electrical panel and no one being able to stop them.
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Even houses that have been built for decades or just new ones?
In most towns they want GFCI's installed in bathrooms and kitchens when the house is sold, as well as battery smokes and CO detectors where they are currently required, even if the house is really old. This is the fire inspector requiring them for the CO.

In one town they actually make sellers upgrade the smoke/CO system to a wired system, which is insane.
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Hanging a picture is cool, If I remember correctly, Eaton offers a paintable hinged panel cover.
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Hanging a picture is cool, If I remember correctly, Eaton offers a paintable hinged panel cover.
I did a panel change a month ago where some dumbass painted the breakers .
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Certain agencies pressing for no gaps more than a certain amount in panels and the solution by others was silicon or spray foam...
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