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Old 07-28-2017, 04:37 PM   #41
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Do the cold shrink tubes come with a sealant inside? The marine heat shrink has a sealant inside, I think the quality and amount of that sealant is what separates the good brands from the Harbor Freight crap.
Haven't used nor would I trust or buy HF waterproof connections.
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Haven't used nor would I trust or buy HF waterproof connections.
I have used the Harbor Freight for some low voltage terminations. More trouble than it's worth, I'd use tape before using that junk.

But the HF stuff is good enough for keeping the end of dock lines etc. from unraveling where they're cut, better than melting them with a lighter and easier than lashing them old school style. Other stupid stuff like that.
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I have used the Harbor Freight for some low voltage terminations. More trouble than it's worth, I'd use tape before using that junk.

But the HF stuff is good enough for keeping the end of dock lines etc. from unraveling where they're cut, better than melting them with a lighter and easier than lashing them old school style. Other stupid stuff like that.
Oh so you are talking their heat shrink only?

I have bought their small 1/4" heat shrink and it's fine.

I wouldn't trust a connector from them, I have had bad experience with trailer wiring kits friends have bought and I installed.
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Oh so you are talking their heat shrink only?

I have bought their small 1/4" heat shrink and it's fine.

I wouldn't trust a connector from them, I have had bad experience with trailer wiring kits friends have bought and I installed.
Same here, I wouldn't even try using their connectors, ack. Tape either. I like using the best available for some things.

I use shrink tube over a western union type splice in speaker wire, it makes a nice connection. In most cases anything will do to insulate these splices.

Their marine shrink tube has an adhesive - sealant inside, a good thing for a speaker wire in a damp location. I tried the HF in a pinch for direct buried wires. No good, didn't seal well.

But, it's still useful for other odds and ends like the ends of ropes, screwdriver shaft, etc.
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I just had to splice on a soow cord to a 25 horse submersible pump for a large dewatering company the other day. They usually do it themselves but since its a large federal job with labor unions involved I got to do it for them. I used a shrink tubing splice kit with adhesive and the foreman with the company told me that the best method is scotchkote, tape, scotchkote, tape, scotchkote on the ends of the shrink tubing.

This is coming from a guy that deals with submersible pumps every day of his life and cannot tolerate failures.
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I just had to splice on a soow cord to a 25 horse submersible pump for a large dewatering company the other day. They usually do it themselves but since its a large federal job with labor unions involved I got to do it for them. I used a shrink tubing splice kit with adhesive and the foreman with the company told me that the best method is scotchkote, tape, scotchkote, tape, scotchkote on the ends of the shrink tubing.

This is coming from a guy that deals with submersible pumps every day of his life and cannot tolerate failures.

All that scotchkote layering sounds like a holy mess.
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I just had to splice on a soow cord to a 25 horse submersible pump for a large dewatering company the other day. They usually do it themselves but since its a large federal job with labor unions involved I got to do it for them. I used a shrink tubing splice kit with adhesive and the foreman with the company told me that the best method is scotchkote, tape, scotchkote, tape, scotchkote on the ends of the shrink tubing.

This is coming from a guy that deals with submersible pumps every day of his life and cannot tolerate failures.
Is he an electrician ?

You're taking the advice of someone who never apprenticed, I'd say.

Someone who's never been exposed to the other materials and methods.

No wonder he's so certain of his advice.
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Is he an electrician ?

You're taking the advice of someone who never apprenticed, I'd say.

Someone who's never been exposed to the other materials and methods.

No wonder he's so certain of his advice.
I've seen some layered splices that we called 'whales pricks' and these sound about the same.
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I've seen some layered splices that we called 'whales pricks' and these sound about the same.
My call is to go with 3M's latest stuff.

Labor savings.

The quality is there: total irreversible encapsulation.
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A wirenut with a big skirt pointed up creating an air pocket would be safer in my book than a silicon splice laying sideways.

If the wirenut had a crack in it that let it fill with water, that would be a different situation.

In response to the OP. I would stuff the fuse up into a plastic coffee can if I wanted the fuse to stay dry. The trick would be holding the can down so the air pocket doesn't tip the coffee can over. Personally I have never done this, instead I use methods which I would call "pre-planed obsolescence". That's the method everyone one here is describing. It's what keeps us all in business. Make it last long enough that it looks like we did a good job, and than fix it again.
A wirenut installed in a wet outdoors environment that doesn't rust and crack? That's a good one! What's the spring inside made from, stainless steel? Inconel? Titanium?

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My call is to go with 3M's latest stuff.

Labor savings.

The quality is there: total irreversible encapsulation.
Great point, as, that may be similiar to the same stuff the HV(over 600v) guys use (think 7.2kv & 13.2kv).
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3M products have always been top shelf in my book.
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I'll try again later, write now i has to put one of those 3M kits on my service neutral.
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I'll try again later, write now i has to put one of those 3M kits on my service neutral.
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The wirenut ty-wrapped to point up in an open bottom box might not be the perfect solution to every splice, but I have done years of service work, and have dug up plenty of splices that let water in and never let it out.

For UF splices I used to get just the resin bags. I would cut short pieces of 1-1/2" PVC and duct tape one end. Make up the splice, shove it into the pipe and pour in the resin. When they cured, I would burry them. They looked like pipe bombs. I have no idea how long they lasted. I know I've dug ones up that looked just like I did it myself.

If I had to do them now, I would put them in a Pencell box with a wirenut. The splice might get rusty/oxidized but would hold up.


http://www.pencell.com/pencell-system.html

The PE-9 is perfect for many things. Not sure if it's UL listed for electrical though.

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