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Old 02-20-2010, 07:02 PM   #101
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Old 02-20-2010, 07:12 PM   #102
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Why, do you think you might be on the list?
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They wait until you can't pay anymore, then you go to jail.
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Before someone mentions Alberta oil sands, I've sent about 20 resumes there. They're only interested in hiring 3rd and 4th year apprentices right now. How did those people get that far? Did they get their apprenticeships out of a hat? Am I supposed to get mine out of a hat? It sure seems like it.
So how did you send all 20 resumes out? Email, fax, mail? Those resumes go in a pile, a big assed pile. In my Oil sands days, I worked for a hydro-vac company and let me tell you, most of the employee's I hired are people who brought in a resume in person, and filled out an application. You have NO idea how many resumes come in from all over Canada via email and fax...they don't mean much to an employer. Most employers hire from the impressions they get from a potential employee, combined with work and education history.
Another very important factor, employers ALWAYS prefer to hire someone who already has their CSTS (Construction Safety Training System), and it helps to have your OSSA (Oil Sands Safety Association) and other courses such as First Aid/CPR, Fall Arrest, Ariel Platform Training,various site orientations, ETC ETC.
All companies will put employees through these courses, but to save costs, they will hire people who already have them.

One last thing about the Oil Sands, employers don't like seeing resumes with an out of province address listed. They REALLY prefer hiring local, as they don't have to deal with camp and flights. Alot of companies require a drivers abstract and most require pre-employment drug/alcohol testing.

You really have to be there banging on doors and keeping after people. It's a dog eat dog world out there.
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P.S. They are often looking for ITpeople in Fort McMurray. And keep an eye on www.fortmcmurrayjobshop.ca and www.jobbank.gc.ca

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Starting wage is $13.75 here. Made over 20 in my last job, but didn't feel that great about it.
I took a pay cut when I started my apprenticeship as well. Now licensed I make over 100 G's a year. You have to look at the big picture.
If you enjoy IT work more, than my suggestion is to stick with it. Doesn't matter how much money you make, what matters is that you can go to work every day and enjoy it. Keep in mind you have a good 30 years of work ahead of you before retirement.
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Im sorta in the same boat as you canook. I went to college and have an associates in Computers and Electronics as well as a Bachelors in Computer Science. I have been doing the IT gig for 4 years and make 65,000 / yr. I have also been wokring nights and weekends for a master electrician making 25/hr at the same time. I HATE the IT gig, maybe its because I dont learn nearly as much, or the fact that im NOT a people person but I'd much rather be doing 200A service upgrades or roughing a basement than explaining to some douchebag ****rocket why her 4 year old computer is "SOOO SLOW!". I start school in September @ Leo Martin.

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Im sorta in the same boat as you canook. I went to college and have an associates in Computers and Electronics as well as a Bachelors in Computer Science. I have been doing the IT gig for 4 years and make 65,000 / yr. I have also been wokring nights and weekends for a master electrician making 25/hr at the same time. I HATE the IT gig, maybe its because I dont learn nearly as much, or the fact that im NOT a people person but I'd much rather be doing 200A service upgrades or roughing a basement than explaining to some douchebag ****rocket why her 4 year old computer is "SOOO SLOW!". I start school in September @ Leo Martin.

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Well, at least I have good people skills...
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Im sorta in the same boat as you canook. I went to college and have an associates in Computers and Electronics as well as a Bachelors in Computer Science. I have been doing the IT gig for 4 years and make 65,000 / yr. I have also been wokring nights and weekends for a master electrician making 25/hr at the same time. I HATE the IT gig, maybe its because I dont learn nearly as much, or the fact that im NOT a people person but I'd much rather be doing 200A service upgrades or roughing a basement than explaining to some douchebag ****rocket why her 4 year old computer is "SOOO SLOW!". I start school in September @ Leo Martin.

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I feel the exact same way about IT. Four years ago when I graduated from my program in college, I thought I'd only be doing the call center work for 6 months, a year at most. It ended up being two grueling years. Everything from "How do I turn my computer on" to "Desktop? You mean where I eat?" The last one actually was pretty funny and that alone shadowed over the stupidity of it. I think in IT we will someway always be owned by the company we work for. Once they give us a pager/cell phone our life is pretty much our work. I have about 40 years in the workforce left, and unless they send us all to mars to support a human colony I don't think I'd be in IT for that long. I like the electrical trade. Everything seems to be falling in place.

How did you make that much on weekends? I guess you have a bit of experience already. I have some hours but am still waiting for work.
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I took a pay cut when I started my apprenticeship as well. Now licensed I make over 100 G's a year. You have to look at the big picture.
If you enjoy IT work more, than my suggestion is to stick with it. Doesn't matter how much money you make, what matters is that you can go to work every day and enjoy it. Keep in mind you have a good 30 years of work ahead of you before retirement.
That's a great way to look at it. I haven't yet started any electrical/grunt work yet so I should see how that works out before I start thinking about what I really want to do. Thanks for the reply!
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Our bookkeeper bar-tends weekends. She makes more money in two days than she does working for us all week. I'd try it but do not think I'd look to good in a teddy. Or, get the tips.
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I feel the exact same way about IT. Four years ago when I graduated from my program in college, I thought I'd only be doing the call center work for 6 months, a year at most. It ended up being two grueling years. Everything from "How do I turn my computer on" to "Desktop? You mean where I eat?" The last one actually was pretty funny and that alone shadowed over the stupidity of it. I think in IT we will someway always be owned by the company we work for. Once they give us a pager/cell phone our life is pretty much our work. I have about 40 years in the workforce left, and unless they send us all to mars to support a human colony I don't think I'd be in IT for that long. I like the electrical trade. Everything seems to be falling in place.

How did you make that much on weekends? I guess you have a bit of experience already. I have some hours but am still waiting for work.

Because I have an electrical theory background. I understood switch loops, 3 ways, 4 ways, etc before I knew how to size breakers according to wire gauge.

I picked up a copy of the 2005NEC as well as textbook from a journeyman course via ebay and read both of them every spare chance I got. In 2009 I came to work one day and he had a 2008 NEC with MA amendments waiting for me in the van. . I have a ton more to learn, realize that, and at the same time I cant wait...
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I have a ton more to learn, realize that, and at the same time I cant wait...
Same here. I'm in Canada so we have the CEC. For the price it should be made hardcover.
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If your really interested in the field then you have to get out there in person and make an impression. Let employers see you in person if you have to show up every week or every day for that matter.

I have been involved in hiring green apprentices in the past and the ones that really pushed for employment were the ones that lasted.
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So I've been hired on a project, starting Monday. I have no idea what to expect though. I was told as long as I keep working and at no point in time standing around doing nothing, then I should be fine. I can work as many hours as I want really, but no overtime . I'm working for a commercial contractor for now, but I hope I can start doing some industrial work eventually. I guess that might be something you just luck into. Anyway, I'm glad the wait is over and can now start getting a paycheck.
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So I've been hired on a project, starting Monday. I have no idea what to expect though. I was told as long as I keep working and at no point in time standing around doing nothing, then I should be fine. I can work as many hours as I want really, but no overtime . I'm working for a commercial contractor for now, but I hope I can start doing some industrial work eventually. I guess that might be something you just luck into. Anyway, I'm glad the wait is over and can now start getting a paycheck.
Congrats newf!
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awesome...in Halifax or Nfld? Congrats!!
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awesome...in Halifax or Nfld? Congrats!!
On the rock, but personally I'd rather be back in NS. Just a lot more going on there. The apprenticeship program is screwy though, and I can't leave the province without losing hours towards my license. Here I only need 7200 hours towards JM, not 8000 like in some other provinces. No idea why that is though.
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