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Old 04-05-2012, 10:42 PM   #1
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This is one of those jobs where I hope they don't accept the bid. I want to help people and clean up the damage that has been done over the years but it is a tough way to earn a living.

Original K&T was all disconnected but not removed. That's the height of lazy. How hard is it to clip the wires and throw them in the recycle pile?

This was pretty much what the whole attic looked like. Fortunately there was no insulation up there and half of it was actually walkable, upright.





There were about a half dozen of these beauties.






The service had been upgraded and they did a nice job, leaving a 2" EMT access to the attic. The AC guys however decided to use their own PVC and "bare" THHN wiring along with the HO breakers.








There was a huge burn mark on the AH at the MC connector.



I was too beat down to take any after pics. I was crawling in the attic a full 6 hours with no lunch. Was it worth 4K? It doesn't seem like it.

I am TOFTS.


Edit: I forgot the best part. The AC guys ran two black thhn's ans a white for ground. The white wasn't long enough so they spliced it.........in a jbox!

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Old 04-05-2012, 11:02 PM   #2
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4k?

Uh yeah...I'd crawl around in an attic for 6hrs and no lunch for that.
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4K cry me a river good for you

just wondering did you remove all the old knob and tube?

Those A/C guys have some nerve running that bare thhn.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:15 AM   #4
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just wondering did you remove all the old knob and tube?

I left most of the knobs but cut out all the wiring.

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How about when you are 60? In the olden days I'd be happy as hell because 3900 of the 4K would go in my pocket. Now, not so much. Tires for my trucks cost $500, a tank of diesel is $125 and insurance premiums go up every freaking year.

I'm about at the end of my career. Too many attics, too many trenches, too many wirenuts....I'm just tired. I should be fishing or playing golf or some schit.
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This is one of those jobs where I hope they don't accept the bid. I want to help people and clean up the damage that has been done over the years but it is a tough way to earn a living.

Original K&T was all disconnected but not removed. That's the height of lazy. How hard is it to clip the wires and throw them in the recycle pile?

This was pretty much what the whole attic looked like. Fortunately there was no insulation up there and half of it was actually walkable, upright.





There were about a half dozen of these beauties.






The service had been upgraded and they did a nice job, leaving a 2" EMT access to the attic. The AC guys however decided to use their own PVC and "bare" THHN wiring along with the HO breakers.








There was a huge burn mark on the AH at the MC connector.



I was too beat down to take any after pics. I was crawling in the attic a full 6 hours with no lunch. Was it worth 4K? It doesn't seem like it.

I am TOFTS.


Edit: I forgot the best part. The AC guys ran two black thhn's ans a white for ground. The white wasn't long enough so they spliced it.........in a jbox!
Yes that is a painful $4,000 och!


So the HVAC Guys never heard of romex...?
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Pic with the 3 # 6s and 2 # 12's ....Kitchen circuits, range and counter ? I've done that in conduit.
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Pic with the 3 # 6s and 2 # 12's ....Kitchen circuits, range and counter ? I've done that in conduit.
AC circuits, ground mounted condensor and attic air handler. I'd have no problem if they had used conduit. The crap make up and proper breakers are easy enough to fix.

And, I don't know what they cut the hole in the panel with. I could see a square ragged edge under the locknut. They obviously didn't have a hole saw or punch. I just left it there, empty.
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How about when you are 60? ....

I'm about at the end of my career. Too many attics, too many trenches, too many wirenuts....I'm just tired. I should be fishing or playing golf or some schit.
it's still a good day's income.... except attics in feen-x
are starting to get a bit warm, aren't they?

but i know how you feel. after a while, you just get tired.
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The AC guy did this at a job I just did.. Conductors enter the panel thru 3 different connectors and it runs unprotected thru the attic and down the wall. Run underground to the unit with no disconnect... Pretty terrible
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I ain't working through lunch for only 4k, especially not in one of the **** hole resi attics we have here
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