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Old 08-25-2017, 08:05 PM   #41
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Re-reading my post #7, I'm not convinced that if it had been in response to something I said, that I would have taken it as a personal attack
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Old 08-25-2017, 08:11 PM   #42
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Even though there are NEC rules that I knowingly break (for example, I'm still stapling romex under joists in crawls instead of drilling),

I don't like buried boxes

Or the kit in question

Only ones I've ever seen are in mobile homes
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:48 AM   #43
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Even though there are NEC rules that I knowingly break (for example, I'm still stapling romex under joists in crawls instead of drilling),

I don't like buried boxes

Or the kit in question

Only ones I've ever seen are in mobile homes
Yup and in that case they fit right in with the other half-assed wiring methods and devices.



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Old 03-10-2019, 10:26 AM   #44
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I am new here but been doing this for about 25 years. I have recently seen these splice kits and feel the same as some others on here; They do not look reliable. I try not to splice in a wall, but we all know that sometimes it needs to be done. Whenever I have had to do it, I use a box, solder my splices, cap with wirenuts, and tape around the wirenuts. I don’t see how that cannot be better than one of those junk splice kits.
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I try not to splice in a wall, but we all know that sometimes it needs to be done. .
No it doesn’t. It can always be done properly, there never has to be splices in the walls, it just takes more work. In Canada we can not use these, no splicing in walls allowed yet we manage to still get the job done.
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I am not sure code if changed regarding them....but i used they TYCO ones in a factory built housing job ....the houses came in pre- finshed, pre-wired,pre-plumbed sections,
Had to connect labeled romex wires between sections.
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OK BITCHES FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL I AM ABOUT TO SETTLE THIS CONTROVERSY

I have some bad news for some of you.

Here are the instructions for the device:

http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentD...df%7F1116377-2

Here is the Application Specification:

https://www.te.com/commerce/Document...df%7F1116377-2

Look at section 3.3 on page 2 of the Application specification.

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3.3. Installation
A. Factory
Type NM-1 and NM-2 devices must be factory installed on the free end of a nonmetallic sheathed cable. The
Type NM-3 device is must be factory installed anywhere along a nonmetallic sheathed cable. The cable
must be prepared (cut, stripped, and formed) to allow the device to be assembled in only one position (to
maintain the integrity of the polarity arrangement). The conductors and stripped cable jacket are completely
within the enclosure and strain-relief cover. When used to connect expandable or dual-unit mobile homes,
the connector ends are to be located where they are protected from moisture and physical damage during
transport to the mobile home lot.
B. Building Site and Dwelling Site
The separate modules of a building or dwelling assembled on location are to be connected electrically by the
simple plug-in connection (including a mechanical latch) of mating pairs thereby providing circuit continuity.
The connected pairs may or may not be fastened in place. The connected pairs may or may not be
concealed by the installation.
AS SOME MAGNIFICENT BASTARD MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS IS FOR USE WITH MANUFACTURED / MODULAR HOMES

and by hacks and Home Depot Demons every weekend.
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OK BITCHES FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL I AM ABOUT TO SETTLE THIS CONTROVERSY

I have some bad news for some of you.

Here are the instructions for the device:

http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentD...df%7F1116377-2

Here is the Application Specification:

https://www.te.com/commerce/Document...df%7F1116377-2

Look at section 3.3 on page 2 of the Application specification.



AS SOME MAGNIFICENT BASTARD MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS IS FOR USE WITH MANUFACTURED / MODULAR HOMES

and by hacks and Home Depot Demons every weekend.
Good to know. I've used them before. They suck, I'd rather hide a wire nut in the wall than that thing.

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Good to know. I've used them before. They suck, I'd rather hide a wire nut in the wall than that thing.

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Yep, I'd think splices in an all steel handy box would be a lot less dangerous than one of these.
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Now that I think about it, levernuts are perfect for burying and should be listed to do so.

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Now that I think about it, levernuts are perfect for burying and should be listed to do so.

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I love lever nuts, but I would never use them on a buried splice.
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I like the handi box idea. I normally try to get it under the house or into the attic. Another idea I have been using is to locate the junction box behind the mirror in the bathroom if it's removable. I do a LOT of bathrooms lately.

Thank you Splatz for the info on those damn plugs. I was under the impression that they were listed for use in the wall but never looked into it because they seemed like a bad idea



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I love lever nuts, but I would never use them on a buried splice.
They seem like sturdy splices. It's the kind of mechanism I think UL listed device for covering up would be perfect for.

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They seem like sturdy splices. It's the kind of mechanism I think UL listed device for covering up would be perfect for.

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For normal stuff I think they are great. But if I want to bury a splice I want to use the best method possible. I think twisting two wires together and using a good quality wire nut is better.
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For normal stuff I think they are great. But if I want to bury a splice I want to use the best method possible. I think twisting two wires together and using a good quality wire nut is better.
Kearney split bolt that splice!

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OK BITCHES FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL I AM ABOUT TO SETTLE THIS CONTROVERSY

I have some bad news for some of you.

Here are the instructions for the device:

http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentD...df%7F1116377-2

Here is the Application Specification:

https://www.te.com/commerce/Document...df%7F1116377-2

Look at section 3.3 on page 2 of the Application specification.



AS SOME MAGNIFICENT BASTARD MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS IS FOR USE WITH MANUFACTURED / MODULAR HOMES

and by hacks and Home Depot Demons every weekend.
Have had thse fail in modular rental buildings used for temporary quarters on several jobs Often there is ot enough slack in the cable to replace them with a standard junction but you need to add some cable and use two boxes.
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When I was an apprentice and was doing modulars, we’d cut those off and splice in nail ons and four squares.
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For normal stuff I think they are great. But if I want to bury a splice I want to use the best method possible. I think twisting two wires together and using a good quality wire nut is better.
There is no need for twisting the wires together.
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There is no need for twisting the wires together.
Of course there is. Wirenuts twist the wires together, which makes a great connection.
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I am new here but been doing this for about 25 years. I have recently seen these splice kits and feel the same as some others on here; They do not look reliable. I try not to splice in a wall, but we all know that sometimes it needs to be done. Whenever I have had to do it, I use a box, solder my splices, cap with wirenuts, and tape around the wirenuts. I don’t see how that cannot be better than one of those junk splice kits.

rewriting the code for your own convenience does not seem professional to me.
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