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Old 03-12-2019, 02:28 PM   #61
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There is no need for twisting the wires together.
I don't understand why you would make an inferior splice by not pre-twisting before applying the wirenut. I can twist wires together with my linemans far better than a wirenut can. Heck, just a couple weeks ago I did a service call for lights and outlets not working, and found where a wire had pulled out of a wirenut 10 years after it was installed, because they didn't pre-twist their wires together, and trusted the wirenut to do it for them. I twisted the wires together properly, put on a new wirenut, and now the splice is good for 50+ years.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:43 PM   #62
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I don't understand why you would make an inferior splice by not pre-twisting before applying the wirenut. I can twist wires together with my linemans far better than a wirenut can. Heck, just a couple weeks ago I did a service call for lights and outlets not working, and found where a wire had pulled out of a wirenut 10 years after it was installed, because they didn't pre-twist their wires together, and trusted the wirenut to do it for them. I twisted the wires together properly, put on a new wirenut, and now the splice is good for 50+ years.
If you could get a good grip on the wires, hold them even, twist on the wire nut and really torque it down, then it will be a pretty damn good splice. It will also usually twist the wires together. But its a lot of work to keep twisting that wire nut, some people even use a tool to do it, so its easier just to give the wires a couple twists with your lineman pliers before hand.

It depends on the situation, if I was looking to make a bullet proof splice I would definitely twist the wires together
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I don't understand why you would make an inferior splice by not pre-twisting before applying the wirenut. I can twist wires together with my linemans far better than a wirenut can. Heck, just a couple weeks ago I did a service call for lights and outlets not working, and found where a wire had pulled out of a wirenut 10 years after it was installed, because they didn't pre-twist their wires together, and trusted the wirenut to do it for them. I twisted the wires together properly, put on a new wirenut, and now the splice is good for 50+ years.
Takes less time. I will wrap a stranded wire around a solid wire but I don't twist solids.
The wingnut is sufficient enough. I always pull my wires too to see if there snug.
If like Hack says it needs to be bullet proof, I'm twisting them doggies.

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I don't understand why you would make an inferior splice by not pre-twisting before applying the wirenut. I can twist wires together with my linemans far better than a wirenut can. Heck, just a couple weeks ago I did a service call for lights and outlets not working, and found where a wire had pulled out of a wirenut 10 years after it was installed, because they didn't pre-twist their wires together, and trusted the wirenut to do it for them. I twisted the wires together properly, put on a new wirenut, and now the splice is good for 50+ years.
If you look at the facts and studies, there is more surface to surface area when you do not pretwist.
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If you look at the facts and studies, there is more surface to surface area when you do not pretwist.
Can you link to these studies?

How do you keep the wires straight? How do you prevent the wirenut from twisting them together when you install it?
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Here is an example that 220/221 posted a long time ago:

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That is (4) #12's. I'm sure with less #12's or #14's the hand twisted conductors would be even more twisted.

So that is bad, according to the facts and studies? Should we stop twisting wirenuts on and just push them down onto the wires?
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Here is an example that 220/221 posted a long time ago:



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That is (4) #12's. I'm sure with less #12's or #14's the hand twisted conductors would be even more twisted.



So that is bad, according to the facts and studies? Should we stop twisting wirenuts on and just push them down onto the wires?
The facts are as I've studied my experiences, twisting wire takes longer and is a pain to break apart the wires when troubleshooting... especially fun when it's hot! Must be an East coast thing because its rarely done around here.

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The facts are as I've studied my experiences, twisting wire takes longer and is a pain to break apart the wires when troubleshooting... especially fun when it's hot! Must be an East coast thing because its rarely done around here.

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I was just messing with Sabrina about his facts and studies
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I was just messing with Sabrina about his facts and studies
I figured that...i just needed to let that off my chest. I've encountered service upgrades where they made one huge dreadlock with the ground...... killing me!

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So it's ok to use a junky Tyco connector buried in the wall of a modular or manufactured home. But you can't make a bulletproof splice in a box and bury it in a wall. Yes, I know one is subject to workmanship and one is not. But I know I can make a bulletproof splice and bury it and be totally fine with it lasting 100 years trouble free, just like all the K&T out there.
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So it's ok to use a junky Tyco connector buried in the wall of a modular or manufactured home. But you can't make a bulletproof splice in a box and bury it in a wall. Yes, I know one is subject to workmanship and one is not. But I know I can make a bulletproof splice and bury it and be totally fine with it lasting 100 years trouble free, just like all the K&T out there.
This is exactly how I feel after learning more about those tyco connectors.

Technically, they are only to be used to repair wiring anyways.

I think a splice in a carlon box and blank plate is much better if your going to bury a splice.

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Technically, they are only to be used to repair wiring anyways.
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334.40 (B) Devices of Insulating Material. Self-contained switches,
self-contained receptacles, and nonmetallic-sheathed cable interconnector
devices of insulating material that are listed shall be
permitted to be used without boxes in exposed cable wiring and
for repair wiring in existing buildings where the cable is concealed

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334.40 (B) Devices of Insulating Material. Self-contained switches,
self-contained receptacles, and nonmetallic-sheathed cable interconnector
devices of insulating material that are listed shall be
permitted to be used without boxes in exposed cable wiring and
for repair wiring in existing buildings where the cable is concealed
Doesn't that mean it has to be listed for the purpose when used according to the device's instructions? I can't see this being a rule giving you permission to bastardize a device listed for something else.
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Yes, but there are others besides tyco

I have a couple in my truck, I'll look and see what brand they are.

The code leads me to believe some are listed for that use.

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When I was an apprentice and was doing modulars, wed cut those off and splice in nail ons and four squares.
It would be nice if everyone did that.
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The ones I had are TE Connectivity



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