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Old 09-10-2017, 02:25 PM   #121
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i may have found where our communication is breaking down. we may be using different definitions of high quality education
Agreed, lighterup is an example of an old non-union electrician who never went thru a proper apprenticeship and doesn't know the basics of even a residential service. His code knowledge is almost non-existent and when you try to explain the correct code to him he isn't willing to listen. He does things based on assumptions and what he was told by someone.
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:31 PM   #122
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i apologize, by reading his earlier post i thought he went through the program




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I can usually tell who was and wasn't in a union .

Union apprentices learn right away what the pecking order is.

Non union doesn't teach this cause the small non union mom
& pop shops reward butt sniffers over productivity.

I've seen both and never respected the latter.
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i apologize, by reading his earlier post i thought he went through the program
You apologize for what?

Because the great example you gave actually didn't support your side, which is bashing unions?

Go away troll.
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:39 PM   #124
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i apologize, by reading his earlier post i thought he went through the program
This is why I'm self employed.

The small shops I learned the trade from placed no
emphasis on proper training , seemed to give raises to a** kissers
and once I seen enough of it , I joined IBEW as a wireman...but they
were worthless too.

I just don't like know it all's who dump on your threads cause your man
enough to admit what you don't know.

Don't leave . stick around . Not all of us are like this
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i apologize, by reading his earlier post i thought he went through the program
Nope, you can easily tell who hasn't.

Not only the lack of knowledge, but the complete unwillingness to learn anything other than what they were told once.
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I apologize also. I was completely wrong and should have never said that.
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I apologize also. I was completely wrong and should have never said that.
Thank you.
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This is why I'm self employed.

The small shops I learned the trade from placed no
emphasis on proper training , seemed to give raises to a** kissers
and once I seen enough of it , I joined IBEW as a wireman...but they
were worthless too.

I just don't like know it all's who dump on your threads cause your man
enough to admit what you don't know.

Don't leave . stick around . Not all of us are like this
i didn't mean it as an insult to you, i have worked with many guys that went through the program and wouldn't know that, i just thought it was a good example.
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i didn't mean it as an insult to you, i have worked with many guys that went through the program and wouldn't know that, i just thought it was a good example.
I did not take it as an insult. We're fine. I don't come on this
forum to having pissing contests like one or two others others
do.

Just FYI ..I have more "union " experience from USPS as well as
apprenticeship in a Carpenters local in Cleveland. I did not get
into the electrical trade until my mid 30's and did not have any
desire to start another apprenticeship at that age. That is a brief of
my background.

Also , unlike another guy on this web sight , I served in the
Military the first 4 years out of high school and did not have the
benefit of nepotism to lateral me into a nice union apprenticeship
via the umbrella of my family...not that there's anything wrong
with that.

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i didn't mean it as an insult to you, i have worked with many guys that went through the program and wouldn't know that, i just thought it was a good example.
No, you did mean it as an insult. Only it blew back in your face since you were wrong about him going thru a union apprenticeship. Good job backpedaling though.

And no, you never met anyone who went thru a real apprenticeship that thinks you need a ground rod for current to flow thru earth in order for a residential service to work.
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And no, you never met anyone who went thru a real apprenticeship that thinks you need a ground rod for current to flow thru earth in order for a residential service to work.
i agree, not a real apprenticeship. but they were (bad local) ibew apprenticeships, sadly.


i believe i am done posting in this thread

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i agree, not a real apprenticeship. but they were (bad local) ibew apprenticeships, sadly.


i believe i am done posting in this thread
The IBEW was supposed to clear that up with the NJATC (ie. National).
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i believe i am done posting in this thread
Out of your 29 posts, you made 28 of them in this thread. Let's see what else you can do
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i agree, not a real apprenticeship. but they were (bad local) ibew apprenticeships
You should just stop.
I gave the only real non union argument in this whole thread.
You are just getting yourself put on ignore by everyone and when you have a real question you will get no help.
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I left the union 6 years ago and did maintenance work up till now which I decided to go back, so I'm back in the union, it's not a bad gig and really the pay is good, and you get better training as far as apprenticeship goes too. There's good and bad with everything it's not the union or non-union it's the company you work for that's screwing you


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