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Old 02-20-2015, 10:03 AM   #1
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I have been with the same company for 3.5 years. I am now a 5th term apprentice (have a bit over 8000 hours). We currently have no journeyman (other than the boss man) and I am the most senior employee. I often get sent out to service calls and sometimes even in charge of entire projects. I am wondering if it is common for senior apprentices to be completely unsupervised or if I am one of a few being sent to calls as what the clients think is a fully licensed electrician? Oh and more often than not I am supervising other apprentices/helpers. I know it's not legit according to the law...
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Old 02-20-2015, 10:17 AM   #2
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Yes it is common. 5th year are discount jmen and some companies will milk that. Working with out supervision and running projects are diff stories though.

If I had a dollar from every helper, apprentice, that said they ran work I could I could retire.
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Haha yeah, It's been going this way for quite some time. I swear I have done 2/3 of my apprenticeship working under other apprentices.
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Think that is why the NJATCs will still keep taking applicants, if with people wasting away on the books...to feed the machine if you will. It is definitely a system that the shops use.
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Here is an idea, instead of more or less complaining about it , take advantage of the incredible opportunity you have been given to study up like a Bob Badger JR. on your codes and wiring methods and rise to the challenge you are given. You will be a outstanding Jman when you get your hours if you do , and will end up being the go to guy on every project.
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Here is an idea, instead of more or less complaining about it , take advantage of the incredible opportunity you have been given to study up like a Bob Badger JR. on your codes and wiring methods and rise to the challenge you are given. You will be a outstanding Jman when you get your hours if you do , and will end up being the go to guy on every project.

Bob aka IWIRE? He is VERY knowledgeable.

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Bobby should return.
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Just curious..how many hours does it take to try for a license in Canada?

In US you could take the master/EC test w/ 8000, in some cases.
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I'm by no means a mechanic. I'm a junior mechanic. But around here you would be a solid junior mechanic.

Running entire projects is a different story, but having a less experienced helper underneath you is common. And to do some service calls is pretty common too.

I had my first actual helper a few months ago. He quit

But hey man, take it and run. Take all the experience you can and push yourself!
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The apprenticeship is 9000 hours total, but about 900 hours are credited from trade school. For ontario anyways
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I wasn't complaining. The experience is pretty sweet. Was just wondering if other shops operated that way. I've only worked for this EC for my apprenticeship thus far.
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A lot of shops do this. But as a apprentice you should only do what your paid to do. Some shops give a apprentice sites to run and **** down their necks when there's a issue, and I feel if I'm not getting paid to run sites I shouldn't have the pressure of it. I mean to each their own, but if you feel they take advantage of you by giving you more responsibilities and less pay than that's something to bring up to your boss. Being in charge and having more responsibilities is fine and dandy, not getting the appreciation for it is just being cheap and they are taking advantage of you.

And don't listen to people who say you should appreciate the opportunity. They probably rip people off the same way themselves.
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Yeah, I definitely don't get paid enough to carry the stress of the big decisions. Oh well, I'll be licensed soon enough any how...
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Haha yeah, It's been going this way for quite some time. I swear I have done 2/3 of my apprenticeship working under other apprentices.


Damm ! I was a Foreman over 23 men , early 3rd year , but I was not Top Dog . Hell , even if running Job Truck for the owner , you are still supervised .




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