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Old 07-24-2012, 11:44 AM   #21
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No but you must keep a relationship with your GC's and not selectivly bid their projects. If I'm 100,000 too low I will close the doors. Proof that I have survived this econmy is proof enough. Pigs get fat and hogs get eaten. Dont take this the wrong way but you were of no help.
Dude you show up out of no where and in your first post you ask people to do your job for you, and then you throw down attitude. I tried to be polite, and I appologize for that.
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:48 AM   #22
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Thanks you have given me a place to start. I will be submitting my bid as a good faith move with my gc. If I get it I will have to stay on top of it. If not I have apeased the gc, as long as I'm not to far from the competion.
I would be careful taking specific bidding advice on an internet forum....
specs may be different, fixtures could be different, etc....

MAKE SURE YOU DO A DETAILED TAKE OFF AND READ THE NOTES AND SPECS LIKE EVERYONE IS ADVISING YOU TO DO!!!!

That is the best advice any of us could give you!
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No but you must keep a relationship with your GC's and not selectivly bid their projects. If I'm 100,000 too low I will close the doors. Proof that I have survived this econmy is proof enough. Pigs get fat and hogs get eaten. Dont take this the wrong way but you were of no help.
Did you do an estimate yourself? What number did you come up with?
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Did you do an estimate yourself? What number did you come up with?
I just completed it. This is a two story Walgreens with an escalator and service elevator. I'm at 235.6K and have not stomped a profit percentage.
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I just completed it. This is a two story Walgreens with an escalator and service elevator. I'm at 235.6K and have not stomped a profit percentage.
sure you did
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I just completed it. This is a two story Walgreens with an escalator and service elevator. I'm at 235.6K and have not stomped a profit percentage.
Sounds like (from the other posters) that you came up with a reasonable number. Now, the question becomes are you comfortable with it?
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Do they still require that you loop the conductors around the screws on some of the receptacles and run to the next receptacle on the circuit without a splice in the wire? We did one a few years ago and that was in the specs.
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I would never and I mean never put my head up a GC's ass like you are here. Do you think he worries one little bit about you?
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I know with ours they supplied a pre-built electrical room, I bet fixtures as well.
I'm not sure if they supplied the fixtures or not, but they do have a "gotcha" with the fixtures as they need to be supplied with Advanced ballasts. IIRC, the fixtures on the job had a "W" suffix for the Walgreens spec.
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How many square feet?
How many man/hrs did you come up with?
What was you misc mat dollars?
Is gear/fixtures furn by owner?

Give us that info we might be able to help
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No but you must keep a relationship with your GC's and not selectivly bid their projects. If I'm 100,000 too low I will close the doors. Proof that I have survived this econmy is proof enough. Pigs get fat and hogs get eaten. Dont take this the wrong way but you were of no help.

Really. I hope the GC is the opposite sex. It sounds like you are saying you have to kiss his/her rear end. Most GC's are just looking for the cheapest guy they can find. They will use you up and move on to the next one. Ever wonder how some Gc's are in business for 20+ years yet they are always looking for a plumber or electrician ?

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Do they still require that you loop the conductors around the screws on some of the receptacles and run to the next receptacle on the circuit without a splice in the wire? We did one a few years ago and that was in the specs.
I don't recall having to do that. However, I do remember the tape being spec'd on all the devices.

Some of the other things I remember off the top of my head - no shared neutrals, crazy amount of circuits, lots of underground conduit for kiosks and receptacles in each aisle (you have to be absolutely dead on with these conduits or you will be breaking up the floor after), complete refrigeration system to wire for the coolers and freezers, receptacles everywhere in all kinds of locations, and beyond the basic electrical there is a ton of low voltage wire to pull, which we did as well.

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I also heard "nothing smaller than 3/4 EMT".
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Do they still require that you loop the conductors around the screws on some of the receptacles and run to the next receptacle on the circuit without a splice in the wire? We did one a few years ago and that was in the specs.
I don't recall that but as an example of unexpected time wasters I can tell you about the bathrooms.

Instead of the bathroom light and fan being directly controlled by a motion sensor they had specified specific contactors and enclosures mounted in specific locations.

Not a big deal, but instead of being a quick thing you end up spending time mounting and wiring all this 'extra' equipment you would not expect for a single stall mens and womens room.
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I don't recall that but as an example of unexpected time wasters I can tell you about the bathrooms.

Instead of the bathroom light and fan being directly controlled by a motion sensor they had specified specific contactors and enclosures mounted in specific locations.

Not a big deal, but instead of being a quick thing you end up spending time mounting and wiring all this 'extra' equipment you would not expect for a single stall mens and womens room.
Capitol one made us do that also.
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ive wired some " fresh markets" what a fiasco of ug conduit. miles of i in a 30ksqft store and e erything was checked by a corp constr mgr b4 concrete!

giants are also fun 100's of feet of trough around the store one for refer hi volt one for low. volt and one for 120 misc again exact measurements checked by corp guys!
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Why the heck are their specs so out of the ordinary?
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Why the heck are their specs so out of the ordinary?
I don't see them any more out of the ordinary that a Petsmart, Bed&Bath, Lowes, Home Depot, bla, bla bla.

They are super-detailed because they have everything figured out 100% and have it documented.
You as an EC looking at these type of designs for the first time is pretty overwhelming. Especially when the job bids in 2 days
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The contractor who stopped by our Walgreens job to provide a generator to run the a/c units said they didn't make money until their 3rd store. That should give the op an idea of what's involved here.
hell, ida stopped at the first one. why even do a job that didnt make money, whats the purpose of being in business any more?
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I also heard "nothing smaller than 3/4 EMT".
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