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Old 09-10-2019, 05:35 PM   #21
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Actually, yes.
Surely they taught you how to use the camera on your phone in Mensa class
Take a picture of this definitely real and not totally made up local amendment and post it.
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Old 09-10-2019, 05:55 PM   #22
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It's an unwritten schoolyard "standard". In some cases job spec. Very similar to using 3/4" pipe for everything. I never saw 1/2" pipe once in commercial work. Even for a pair of conductors going down to a single switch, we used 3/4 pipe.



But it's not code.
Same thibg for wire here.
I've asked several times why we use #12 for commercial here in ottawa. I've been told it's a standard everyone follows because it's usually a spec for the job. No code reference and no loose leaf amendments

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Typically #12 is minimum size I run for THHN, MC and UF. No codes involved, just $$$. I don't stock 14awg in all of the above because I rarely need to run a 15a ckt using those wiring methods. It's just not worth the money or shelf space to stock both. Hell, 14/2 and 12/2 MC are almost exactly the same price. If I am going to use the whole roll in 1 shot, I'll get 14awg if that is what will get the job done and put more profit in my pocket.
No local amendments, no job specs, no loose leaf binders
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Typically #12 is minimum size I run for THHN, MC and UF. No codes involved, just $$$. I don't stock 14awg in all of the above because I rarely need to run a 15a ckt using those wiring methods. It's just not worth the money or shelf space to stock both. Hell, 14/2 and 12/2 MC are almost exactly the same price. If I am going to use the whole roll in 1 shot, I'll get 14awg if that is what will get the job done and put more profit in my pocket.
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I just now realized this post is 4 months old. Hope he found a disconnect
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#12 really is in our County loose leafs.

Sorry kids.

It's demanded for ALL Commercial work.

It's not required for control circuits -- or for residential.

I LOVE it when out of area electricians question me about our crazy local Code.

Not a chance in the world that I'm wrong... not a chance in the world that I'm interested in correcting you.

ALL of my nearby competition knows the rules of the road the same as I. That's all that counts.

The idea of taking on City Hall -- you guys must be crazed.

How in heaven do I come out ahead doing that?

At some point, when I have the time, I'll post the amazing story of Maverinc.

Yes, it's a laugher.
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Don't get me started on Title 24.

It's crazier still.
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Lay off Telsa. After all his old girlfriend was a penthouse pet of the year. I think she couldn't take all his constant studding her. He's a beast.
Wait.....what? Admittedly, I don't read every post on here, and I seem to have missed some interesting ones. What is an "old" Penthouse pet of the year? Or do you mean old as in, can no longer afford? Actually, I was havin' his back. All the commercial prints I've seen specify #12 minimum. It's in the specs.
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For us it's in the local Code.

Period.

Yeah, I de-flowered a Penthouse cover girl. Now both of us are senior citizens.

Yeah, it's not the same as nailing a teen, yesterday.

As for my college lover: Mensa IQ -- introverted in the extreme -- and a knock out.

She wore NO make-up for her shoot -- just that dang wrist watch. It scratches.

It's hers -- not the photographers.

As for shock, you can't imagine mine when I saw her while buying gas at Seven-Eleven.

Much of her life story was blended into "Looking for Mr. Goodbar" -- the movie -- not the book.

I just about fainted when I saw it.

I was directed to this gal flick by a mutual friend, Annie. She INSISTED that I had to see it.

I could not get over how many links fed back to my old lover -- which Annie noted straight off.

Yeah, it was that obvious.

I bought "Looking For Mr. Goodbar" years later. I found it tough going. It barely follows the movie plot.

How did my lovely get into film? Her roommate was the daughter of Hollywood behind-the-cameras folks -- their entire lives.

Their son became the basis for Dr. Doogie Howser M.D. Yeah, there REALLY is a guy that was that young and an M.D. He had to leave the USA to get his degree. He, the real dude, was educated in Liege, Belgium. And yes, he was an adolescent when he GRADUATED!!!

His sister, my lover's roommate, was sixteen. She only had an IQ of about 155 and perfect grades.

Their parental connection was how both Howser and my lover made it to the media.

BTW, when I first saw Doogie Howser -- I flashed back to my college days.

BTW, what of the doctor? He is world famous. He, uniquely, takes on the most extreme surgeries to save a child's life. You can find astounding film on his techniques if you are willing to watch a ton of blood. He lifts the ENTIRE front of the patients skull -- yes, cutting it away with bone saws -- to expand the brain cavity. In France and Belgium he is a medical god.

Curiously, his sister compared me to being his equal. And she has a genius IQ.

As for my own contributions to planet Earth -- I'll not indulge you.

This is no place for an autobiographical.

It would go on way too many pages.

As for my test scores growing up -- they blew the roof off of ALL prior norms. They freaked out every national testing laboritory. --- Much to my sorrow. I perform all my work beyond belief... and no-one can tolerate that. Absolutely no-one wants to discover that they are fantastically outclassed.

Yeah, it really is that bad.

It is FALSE that employers want staggeringly bright employees. They only want dudes smarter than the wire -- and, with hope, barely above that minimum.

Having any employee chronically teach an EC (C-10 holder) how to do things -- yeah, it wears out VERY quickly. Then it turns to anger. Suddenly, profits no longer matter. Self ego does.
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I posted this a couple of years ago and, I just saw your reply:

Had a Penthouse magazine girlfriend, sailfished off Cuba with Hemingway, ran the Iditarod, summited Everest, sailed the Kon Tiki route, taught French Foreign Legion modern hand to hand combat, lived in Tibet for 10 years, was a Texas Ranger and a classically trained pianist.

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Actually, I was havin' his back. All the commercial prints I've seen specify #12 minimum. It's in the specs.
Job specs are completely different than code or local amendments.
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I posted this a couple of years ago and, I just saw your reply:

Had a Penthouse magazine girlfriend, sailfished off Cuba with Hemingway, ran the Iditarod, summited Everest, sailed the Kon Tiki route, taught French Foreign Legion modern hand to hand combat, lived in Tibet for 10 years, was a Texas Ranger and a classically trained pianist.

That's him.
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Same thibg for wire here.
I've asked several times why we use #12 for commercial here in ottawa. I've been told it's a standard everyone follows because it's usually a spec for the job. No code reference and no loose leaf amendments

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I've ran 14 awg in commercial buildings (in Ottawa) many times. Mainly for pot lights that did not have a lot of room for wires in the little JB's attached, but for other things too.

There is no code or local amendment against it in Ontario. Most specs do have it though and thats why many assume it's code. There are only a few engineering firms in smaller cities and they cut and paste the same spec for almost every job.
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WTF did I just read?
Next time, log out and log back in as your other account - Chicken Steve : rolleyes:


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For us it's in the local Code.

Period.

Yeah, I de-flowered a Penthouse cover girl. Now both of us are senior citizens.

Yeah, it's not the same as nailing a teen, yesterday.

As for my college lover: Mensa IQ -- introverted in the extreme -- and a knock out.

She wore NO make-up for her shoot -- just that dang wrist watch. It scratches.

It's hers -- not the photographers.

As for shock, you can't imagine mine when I saw her while buying gas at Seven-Eleven.

Much of her life story was blended into "Looking for Mr. Goodbar" -- the movie -- not the book.

I just about fainted when I saw it.

I was directed to this gal flick by a mutual friend, Annie. She INSISTED that I had to see it.

I could not get over how many links fed back to my old lover -- which Annie noted straight off.

Yeah, it was that obvious.

I bought "Looking For Mr. Goodbar" years later. I found it tough going. It barely follows the movie plot.

How did my lovely get into film? Her roommate was the daughter of Hollywood behind-the-cameras folks -- their entire lives.

Their son became the basis for Dr. Doogie Howser M.D. Yeah, there REALLY is a guy that was that young and an M.D. He had to leave the USA to get his degree. He, the real dude, was educated in Liege, Belgium. And yes, he was an adolescent when he GRADUATED!!!

His sister, my lover's roommate, was sixteen. She only had an IQ of about 155 and perfect grades.

Their parental connection was how both Howser and my lover made it to the media.

BTW, when I first saw Doogie Howser -- I flashed back to my college days.

BTW, what of the doctor? He is world famous. He, uniquely, takes on the most extreme surgeries to save a child's life. You can find astounding film on his techniques if you are willing to watch a ton of blood. He lifts the ENTIRE front of the patients skull -- yes, cutting it away with bone saws -- to expand the brain cavity. In France and Belgium he is a medical god.

Curiously, his sister compared me to being his equal. And she has a genius IQ.

As for my own contributions to planet Earth -- I'll not indulge you.

This is no place for an autobiographical.

It would go on way too many pages.

As for my test scores growing up -- they blew the roof off of ALL prior norms. They freaked out every national testing laboritory. --- Much to my sorrow. I perform all my work beyond belief... and no-one can tolerate that. Absolutely no-one wants to discover that they are fantastically outclassed.

Yeah, it really is that bad.

It is FALSE that employers want staggeringly bright employees. They only want dudes smarter than the wire -- and, with hope, barely above that minimum.

Having any employee chronically teach an EC (C-10 holder) how to do things -- yeah, it wears out VERY quickly. Then it turns to anger. Suddenly, profits no longer matter. Self ego does.
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WTF did I just read?
Next time, log out and log back in as your other account - Chicken Steve : rolleyes:

Pfffttt.. Chicken Steve never wrote anything as clear and readable as Telsa. All of Telsa's words are spelled and used correctly.
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Telsa = FBI controlled opposition. Thoughts?
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#12 really is in our County loose leafs.
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#12 really is in our County loose leafs.

Yeah, I de-flowered a Penthouse cover girl
Pics or it didn't happen!





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Dear Telsa,

Is the TI business that good that your not doing something popularly believed to be difficult? Brain science, rocket surgery, etc.
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