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Old 05-01-2018, 08:54 PM   #41
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3M 412 is top of the list for me, engineered so it tightens up nice with a 5/ 16 nut driver on the top of the nut. 22 to 10. Last week a 500 bag cost me 7 ish cents each. Bottom if the list is those buchannan ones that never feel tight.

You mean the fake Ideal twister?
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Old 05-01-2018, 09:20 PM   #42
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The CanTwists look interesting. I wouldn't mind if they were available here too.
They are the best. They work on small gauge and large gauge wires. All the ones that have been posted here I have tried and none compare to the CanTwists.
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Stocked on the truck:
3m O/B+
3m Y/R+
3m U/R phone crimps
Ideal 72b Small Blues
Ideal 341 Tan Twisters
Ideal 454 Big Blues
Random assortment of lever nuts

Will use if provided
Basically any Ideal "Wing-nut" style wire nut.
3m B/G+, T/Y+, T/R+, 412, 512

Questionable
B-Caps

Wont touch with a 10ft pole
3m "Scotchlock" soft wire nuts
Ideal wing-twist
Ideal classics other than the small gray or tan.
Commercial Electric / contractor choice knockoff wire nuts
GB wire nuts
Gorilla Nuts
Plain yellow wire nuts
Plain orange wire nuts

I cant understand why somebody would bother stocking orange or yellow wire nuts. Sure, most yellows can take 3 #12s, but you have to fight them in.

An 3m O/B+ covers the entire range of the gray, blue, orange, and yellow wire nuts, and is 600v listed. It is also smaller than a orange or yellow wire nut.

The small blue and grey have their place, great for limited space applications for hvac controls and similar.

B-Caps are relatively compact, decent wire range, bite good. However they don't seem to stand up to heat well at all. It seems like whenever they are in service for 15+ years within a foot of a ballast, they just crumble into dust when you take them off.
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Not really a wire nut but we use the ideal crimp caps, they make a really strong connection.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:28 PM   #45
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Wont touch with a 10ft pole
3m "Scotchlock" soft wire nuts
Ideal wing-twist
Ideal classics other than the small gray or tan.
The Ideal classic wire nuts are still very common here and a lot of contractors still use them, including the one I work for. I don't mind using them because I have been using them for so long now. That being said, the Twister has become very popular now.

One supply house near me sells the large bags of Wing Twists and I have no clue why because they are pure garbage. (Sorry Canadians!) Otherwise it's the usual Ideal and 3M stuff.

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Like the 3M wire nuts (T/R), but prefer the NSI wire nuts
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One supply house near me sells the large bags of Wing Twists and I have no clue why because they are pure garbage. (Sorry Canadians!) Otherwise it's the usual Ideal and 3M stuff.
Wing twists and Can-twists are not the same. Kinda like how your beer looks a lot like ours, but itís not the same
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I know wagos will win for most applications but for true wire nuts.
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Stocked on the truck:
3m O/B+
3m Y/R+
3m U/R phone crimps
Ideal 72b Small Blues
Ideal 341 Tan Twisters
Ideal 454 Big Blues
Random assortment of lever nuts

Will use if provided
Basically any Ideal "Wing-nut" style wire nut.
3m B/G+, T/Y+, T/R+, 412, 512

Questionable
B-Caps

Wont touch with a 10ft pole
3m "Scotchlock" soft wire nuts
Ideal wing-twist
Ideal classics other than the small gray or tan.
Commercial Electric / contractor choice knockoff wire nuts
GB wire nuts
Gorilla Nuts
Plain yellow wire nuts
Plain orange wire nuts

I cant understand why somebody would bother stocking orange or yellow wire nuts. Sure, most yellows can take 3 #12s, but you have to fight them in.

An 3m O/B+ covers the entire range of the gray, blue, orange, and yellow wire nuts, and is 600v listed. It is also smaller than a orange or yellow wire nut.

The small blue and grey have their place, great for limited space applications for hvac controls and similar.

B-Caps are relatively compact, decent wire range, bite good. However they don't seem to stand up to heat well at all. It seems like whenever they are in service for 15+ years within a foot of a ballast, they just crumble into dust when you take them off.
What's your beef with the Ideal winged wire nuts?
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Am I the only one that thinks twisters take up too much room in a SG box?
I pretty much use Can-Twists for general purpose usage but I still keep Marrette oranges, small and big blues around. The oranges and small blues for fitting in a crowded box (also the small blues for joining 2 #18s) and the big blues for large wires or more than 4 #12s. Especially when fitting something like a timer/GFCI/AFCI in a single gang metal box; the Twisters can make it hard to stuff the device in.
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I pretty much use Can-Twists for general purpose usage but I still keep Marrette oranges, small and big blues around. The oranges and small blues for fitting in a crowded box (also the small blues for joining 2 #18s) and the big blues for large wires or more than 4 #12s. Especially when fitting something like a timer/GFCI/AFCI in a single gang metal box; the Twisters can make it hard to stuff the device in.
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The Ideal classic wire nuts are still very common here and a lot of contractors still use them, including the one I work for.
That is quite the contrast from here. It wasn't since the early 2000s that classic Wire Nuts were common place. Yes, they are still sold in supply houses, its just that probably nine in ten contractors have either switched to something winged and/or Wago variants.
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One supply house near me sells the large bags of Wing Twists and I have no clue why because they are pure garbage.
I didn't think Wing Twists were that awful. They certainly seem better than generics...

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for the government contract work we do Ideal is normally in the specs so we just buy those for everything.
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