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Old 10-27-2011, 05:32 PM   #21
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I remember a 2pm call to rewire a bathroom in a Queens row house back in 1990. I had to eliminate an old completely frayed cloth BX cable and box to a new cable. No one knew where the panel was or which unit it was in. Not only did I remove it from the box live, I stripped back 8" of fresh cable on it live without breaking a sweat. That's a small example. LIPA has some old #6 black SE drops still left. I would relocate the clamp and strip back 10" of fresh conductors on these drops while others like yourself were afraid to touch them. Live experience is a must.
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Guess you never had to splice #3s or 2/0 in a Con Ed single family end box with lead sheath #8s feeding from the street ? You would call for a shut down wouldn't you? I'd be on my way home while your still waiting.
Wow, I bow before your greatness.

Seriously, nobody cares or is impressed by anything you just mentioned.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:34 PM   #22
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Wow, I bow before your greatness.

Seriously, nobody cares or is impressed by anything you just mentioned.
I wouldn't expect anyone to bow down to me, this is what's expected of me, I am an electrician. The carpenter should shut the power off.
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maybe, but Peter would get home alive.
Been 21 years and still making it home everynight.
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Been 21 years and still making it home everynight.
It only takes 1 mistake while working live and you won't be making it home.

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It only takes 1 mistake while working live and you won't be making it home.

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I respect those who do not work live as long as those who don't respect my ability and right to do so. Anything else screams of liberalism.
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:18 PM   #27
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if you can come in contact with energized *anything*, then you
need to de energize it, for all practical purposes, before working on it.

that is not the policy of most electrical contractors any more.
liability insurance dictates it.

Fixed it.^


In my experience, the policy of most contractors is to let whoever is doing the work determine when to deenergize.

Although both are considered live work, replacing a 120V toggle switch is not usually on the same level as terminating conductors in a 480V panel.
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In generations past it was a no brainer on how to work live. It might be the way the powers that be intended, but the easy way out will shutting things down, guys starting out now will probably never work live in 20 yrs of their career. That makes them less competant.
You're kidding right? You have to be. No one, especially an "electrical contractor" can be this outta touch. It's impossible. It is with out a doubt, by leaps and bounds, safer to work today, then it was "back in the day".

You ever see a circa 1926 13.2 KVA switch? There's a reason why it was called the widow maker.
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I respect those who do not work live as long as those who don't respect my ability and right to do so. Anything else screams of liberalism.
Stop it.
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You're kidding right? You have to be. No one, especially an "electrical contractor" can be this outta touch. It's impossible. It is with out a doubt, by leaps and bounds, safer to work today, then it was "back in the day".

You ever see a circa 1926 13.2 KVA switch? There's a reason why it was called the widow maker.
Meanwhile you illiterate fool I was talking about 120 volts. Go run to Dennis now to get me banned snitch.
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Stop it.
Let me guess you forgot your meds today, no xanax, no joy.
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The relative dangers for every possible "working live" scenario would be quite a task to define. In fact, I'm going to say it's impossible.

It's just easier to say "no live work". That puts the liability elsewhere.
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Meanwhile you illiterate fool I was talking about 120 volts. Go run to Dennis now to get me banned snitch.
What, a 120V doesn't kill people?

Look, everyone has wired a switch or receptacle "hot". Added a splice in a j-box, and put a breaker in a panel. Hell, i've tied in hundreds of services and here the poco doesn't have a thing to do with them. Everyone was done "hot".
Doesn't make it right or safe.

Here's the thing Shock, your attitude, work practices, and rationale screams ameture. Your not cool and your certainly not tough just because you prefer to work "hot". You make the whole industry look bad when you post your nonsense on a public forum.
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What, a 120V doesn't kill people?

Look, everyone has wired a switch or receptacle "hot". Added a splice in a j-box, and put a breaker in a panel. Hell, i've tied in hundreds of services and here the poco doesn't have a thing to do with them. Everyone was done "hot".
Doesn't make it right or safe.

Here's the thing Shock, your attitude, work practices, and rationale screams ameture. Your not cool and your certainly not tough just because you prefer to work "hot". You make the whole industry look bad when you post your nonsense on a public forum.
I'm a non conformist and hell, I don't want to be like you or some others in this business. My customers and their money is all the respect i need. A holes like you mean NOTHING to me, like a nasty beer fart I let go that fades away.A smell you should be familiar with when your up OSHAs butt.
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I'm a non conformist and hell, I don't want to be like you or some others in this business. My customers and their money is all the respect i need. A holes like you mean NOTHING to me, like a nasty beer fart I let go that fades away.A smell you should be familiar with when your up OSHAs butt.
A non conformist? Really? What are you, 16.
What ever man, have fun working like a tool.
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I'm a non conformist
So why do you have license plates? I guess you're only a partial non-conformist.
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A non conformist? Really? What are you, 16.
What ever man, have fun working like a tool.
I just let one go, now sneeze vic.
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So why do you have license plates? I guess you're only a partial non-conformist.
I operate in NY and PA ,not Montana where I rather be.
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A non conformist? Really? What are you, 16.
What ever man, have fun working like a tool.
No, just means I don't have to be like the masses of asses.
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