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Old 08-14-2019, 10:52 AM   #1
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I’m helping out a fellow EC. He’s jammed up and I’m kinda slow right now.

He gave me a green starter and that’s okay. He’s a good kid and wants to learn. The problem I am having is keeping him busy. Half the time I just have him pass me tools when I’m on a ladder because I don’t know what else to do with him. I did teach him how to drive a scissor lift so he has more to do when we’re in the sky.

It’s kind of awkward. If he was into it for a few months and knew some things, I could make better use of him.

Suggestions? The jobs we’re doing aren’t big enough to have him assemble fixtures all day.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:20 AM   #2
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I call that position a "ground man". There are very few times when it is worth while to have a ground man. Here and there sure, but not all day.

I am big into setup, prefabricating, and working smarter and not harder. Because of that, there is almost always something for someone else to do.

You might not have enough lights for him to assemble all day, but it's still a few hours. And the cleanup of the packaging. Unpacking stuff is the biggest waste of time, so having the cheap guy do it makes sense. As a foreman there was nothing I hated more than seeing a journeyman opening up boxes of lights.

I have had my apprentice go around drilling block walls and inserting the anchor, strap, and screw so that I can come in later and throw the pipe up. There is usually something that you can set them up on for a couple hours.
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Organize. Have him organize the truck, or the tub (Conex), the cart, or gangbox. Sweep, haul trash, nail-up boxes. Give him a bundle of conduit, and a box of couplings, and have him put couplings on each one.
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Organize. Have him organize the truck, or the tub (Conex), the cart, or gangbox. Sweep, haul trash, nail-up boxes. Give him a bundle of conduit, and a box of couplings, and have him put couplings on each one.


Someone that doesn’t know a lot shouldn’t do organizing. We got one on our crew. Every time he helps pack up it will be weeks before we find everything again.


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At least you have a starter -- not a quitter.
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I guess I was just assuming this guy was somewhat competent. Ya know that "bucket" that has all the assorted fittings, screws, straps, wirenuts, washers, etc. that everybody just scoops up and dumps in the bucket for "someone else" to put away? On the truck, put all the 1/2" stuff in the 1/2" bins, 3/4" in the 3/4" bins, as opposed to stuff in the wrong bins, etc. It's a good way to learn about materials, and sizes we use. When I was brand new, and the boss got pissed at me, I got to go organize the truck. I learned many important things doing that, mainly, don't piss off the boss.
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Have you replaced the coil?
Is the coil voltage low?


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Have you replaced the coil?
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I read 99's post and kept thinking, this doesn't sound like a post about a motor starter at all......weird.......
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I read 99's post and kept thinking, this doesn't sound like a post about a motor starter at all......weird.......
Me too , and then when he said 'green starter' , I was thinking an energy efficient starter

As much as you can 99, use your head and his legs !
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Never thought about that

I had to think about that for a minute...
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Teach him as much as you can. If he is that green explain everything to him, share your skills. You are helping a fellow EC think of the training as part of that, this way you don't feel bad.

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