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Old 11-29-2018, 12:12 PM   #21
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You me and most other guys over 40!
It's funny, I have my collection and my dad's collection of tools.

I look at mine and see stuff in there I bet today's apprentices would just laugh at.

Then I look at my dad's collection and see stuff that belongs in a museum.
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:45 PM   #22
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It's funny, I have my collection and my dad's collection of tools.

I look at mine and see stuff in there I bet today's apprentices would just laugh at.

Then I look at my dad's collection and see stuff that belongs in a museum.


It's all good, tools are tools and in the right hands can be a great thing.

I have woodworking tools that go back to my Great Grandfather which are basically civil war era and they are still just as sharp and usable.

BTW I till use the Edison adapter to use a circuit tracer on a keyless fixture.
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Great thread. I collect fixtures from this error including "Plugs" that screw into a socket. I display them with a Kohler light plant and explain what has been written here.
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QUOTE - not sure if a gas light on the ceiling wouldn't set the ceiling on fire.


In Australia they made allowances for gas lighting,

So any room which had roof mounted gas lighting
the ceiling height would be two feet higher
to safely allow the heat to dissipate.
So instead of being 10 feet high it would be 12 foot.

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Around here a Carter, live 3-way is called a Delco 3-way by old timers because they used it to power the house from the plant in a shed. A third wire would let you turn on a light in the shed from the kitchen or the shed.
I remember one farm I done rewireing there were a standard 120/240 volt single phase 60 amp main line then there were second set of conductors which it was 32 volts DC from old delco plant ( the latter verison switched over to 120 volts AC but used the same set of conductors ) from the shed where they kept the delco gaz generator set and main fuse box there. plus a set of dammed carter 3 wayers from the house to shed and barn .,,

Cleaned all that crap out and ran underground and the issue sloved and yes they did have generator on hand but it is a pto type to hook up to the transfer switch at the shed to lit up the whole farm area.

The farm house that was a boatload full of dammed KT in there.
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And it was more important to light the farm area than the house because it's the farm area that makes the money. You can light the house with a candle or an oil lamp.
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I remember one farm I done rewireing there were a standard 120/240 volt single phase 60 amp main line then there were second set of conductors which it was 32 volts DC from old delco plant ( the latter verison switched over to 120 volts AC but used the same set of conductors ) from the shed where they kept the delco gaz generator set and main fuse box there. plus a set of dammed carter 3 wayers from the house to shed and barn .,,

Cleaned all that crap out and ran underground and the issue sloved and yes they did have generator on hand but it is a pto type to hook up to the transfer switch at the shed to lit up the whole farm area.

The farm house that was a boatload full of dammed KT in there.

Now, tell us how you feel.... don’t hold back!
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I remember one farm I done rewireing there were a standard 120/240 volt single phase 60 amp main line then there were second set of conductors which it was 32 volts DC from old delco plant ( the latter verison switched over to 120 volts AC but used the same set of conductors ) from the shed where they kept the delco gaz generator set and main fuse box there. plus a set of dammed carter 3 wayers from the house to shed and barn .,,

Cleaned all that crap out and ran underground and the issue sloved and yes they did have generator on hand but it is a pto type to hook up to the transfer switch at the shed to lit up the whole farm area.

The farm house that was a boatload full of dammed KT in there.
Every farm house I've worked in had K&T and some even had homemade add on nail and dowel..lol!
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Every farm house I've worked in had K&T and some even had homemade add on nail and dowel..lol!

I remember one barn I worked on was full of BX... and it was rusty it would fall apart if you just touched it.
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I remember one barn I worked on was full of BX... and it was rusty it would fall apart if you just touched it.
I've touched plenty that the insulation would crack as soon as you touched it.
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Well if the orginal KT was not messed up it was easy shot but the issue is that over the years they get farmer special KT system that can bit your arse if you are not aware of it and they are pretty close to the ring circuit ( that is one crazy subject that I will talk about it later I been there pretty often when I was in France. )

But too many handydolts do a good job mess it up with KT and also when someone try to hook up extra lights on carter system that can get their attetion if they were aware of switching connection set up.

the other curpit with carter system ( especially with KT system ) is if you put in new panel and if you are not pay attetion to phase postion you will end up send 240 volts to luminaire socket.
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Well if the orginal KT was not messed up it was easy shot but the issue is that over the years they get farmer special KT system that can bit your arse if you are not aware of it and they are pretty close to the ring circuit ( that is one crazy subject that I will talk about it later I been there pretty often when I was in France. )

But too many handydolts do a good job mess it up with KT and also when someone try to hook up extra lights on carter system that can get their attetion if they were aware of switching connection set up.

the other curpit with carter system ( especially with KT system ) is if you put in new panel and if you are not pay attetion to phase postion you will end up send 240 volts to luminaire socket.


You got that right, always fun to see what has been "repaired".
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My dad told me about an old farm house he and my uncle were rewiring. They pulled the main fuses to kill the power, and my dad went up into the attic. When he got into the attic there was a light on...
He checked and found Farmer Brown had hung a keyless tapped off the main Hydro lines coming in.
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He checked and found Farmer Brown had hung a keyless tapped off the main Hydro lines coming in.
And far from the first time that was done.
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You got that right, always fun to see what has been "repaired".
Yuh espeally with some handydolts been upgrade the panel themselves and they call me about exploding light bulbs and I knew right away what the curpit was .,,

one handydolt somehow got little smart by wireing up two light sockets in series to work with " 240 " volt circuit and when they replace that luminaire the fun begins .,, ( with nice off color chatting in background .,, )
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Yuh espeally with some handydolts been upgrade the panel themselves and they call me about exploding light bulbs and I knew right away what the curpit was .,,

one handydolt somehow got little smart by wireing up two light sockets in series to work with " 240 " volt circuit and when they replace that luminaire the fun begins .,, ( with nice off color chatting in background .,, )
One of my favorites is when they drive large nails in joists and wrap the conductors around them instead of using insulators and you find them by touching the nail heads in the insulation.
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My dad told me about an old farm house he and my uncle were rewiring. They pulled the main fuses to kill the power, and my dad went up into the attic. When he got into the attic there was a light on...
He checked and found Farmer Brown had hung a keyless tapped off the main Hydro lines coming in.
Man! I know that unsettling feeling! You turn off the main and there are circuits that are still hot!
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Man! I know that unsettling feeling! You turn off the main and there are circuits that are still hot!
I have see that once a while with that and especially if you have split buss main system ( either fuse or circuit breakers ) that can raise the pluck factor up a bit.,,
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One of my favorites is when they drive large nails in joists and wrap the conductors around them instead of using insulators and you find them by touching the nail heads in the insulation.
Oh yeah, the good ole K&T days. I loved the guys who thought they were doing good work by tacking down the conductors with romex or fence staples, and they would hammer them in so tight that they would break through the insulation. It was a fun day when you ran into a bunch of HOT romex staples!!!
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@frenchelectrician, Handydolt is going to be my new go to for idiots!
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