How easy is it to go back working non Union - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum > Electrical Trade Topics > Union Topics


Like Tree15Likes
  • 3 Post By joebanana
  • 2 Post By cabletie
  • 1 Post By Heavyduty5
  • 1 Post By LuckyLuke
  • 3 Post By Southeast Power
  • 1 Post By daveEM
  • 4 Post By flyboy
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-04-2016, 04:14 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ny
Posts: 38
Rewards Points: 78
Default How easy is it to go back working non Union

I just got sworn in Union couple days ago... Now I was working non Union for year and half ... My boss and Forman and the owner all trusted over my other co workers. Anyways the owner and Forman kept trying to talk me out of it. Saying a bunch of negative stuff. One thing they told me is that once I go Union , I can't go back working non Union... I don't get that? If this Union job doesn't work out for me how is it that my local won't let me go work non Union... I'm thinking this is just false rumors but yea I'm starting off as a CW2 11.00 hr. If it doesn't work out what would happen? My main goal though is to get in the apprentice program, I'm not worried it won't but that's in the back of my mind when i start any new job.
Heavyduty5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join Contractor Talk

Join the #1 Electrician Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

ElectricianTalk.com - Are you a Professional Electrical Contractor? If so we invite you to join our community and see what it has to offer. Our site is specifically designed for you and it's the leading place for electricians to meet online. No homeowners asking DIY questions. Just fellow tradesmen who enjoy talking about their business, their trade, and anything else that comes up. No matter what your specialty is you'll find that ElectricianTalk.com is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally free!

Join ElectricianTalk.com - Click Here JOIN FOR FREE


Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ElectricianTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-04-2016, 04:22 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: So.Cal.
Posts: 3,559
Rewards Points: 7,057
Default

You can always go back to "non-union" work, if you can find it. You just lose all your bene's, like the pension, health care, steady pay raises, and any annuities.
joebanana is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to joebanana For This Useful Post:
sparky970 (03-05-2016)
Old 03-04-2016, 04:23 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
cabletie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: N.J.
Posts: 1,698
Rewards Points: 1,274
Default

I would need more information first to answer that question.

Do they show you the secret hand shake yet?

Does the business managers last name end in a vowel?

If the answer is no to both of those, you should be ok.
chknkatsu and joebanana like this.
cabletie is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to cabletie For This Useful Post:
Bad Electrician (03-05-2016)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-04-2016, 04:36 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ny
Posts: 38
Rewards Points: 78
Default

Haha yea no secret handshake . I'm just making sure if this doesn't work out for me . I liked the non Union shop I was working for . Just the pay wasn't great (not terrible) and I'm more focus on my career rather than the present . I'm young so I can afford to test new things out , hopfully this works out for me
John Valdes likes this.
Heavyduty5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2016, 04:58 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
LuckyLuke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 946
Rewards Points: 546
Default

One of my guys that has been working for me for the last 9 years was union for several years before he decided to try something different and more stable. You can always go back to non-union if you decide the union isn't for you.
The_Modifier likes this.
LuckyLuke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2016, 05:00 PM   #6
Old Grumpy Bastard
 
MechanicalDVR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: "Old Dominion"
Posts: 59,528
Rewards Points: 1,468
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cabletie View Post
I would need more information first to answer that question.

Does the business managers last name end in a vowel?




What are you trying to say ? BTW you own a horse ?
__________________
I'm as Christian as possible in the times we live in.

Always just a stallion in a china shop
MechanicalDVR is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2016, 05:15 PM   #7
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ny
Posts: 38
Rewards Points: 78
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyLuke View Post
One of my guys that has been working for me for the last 9 years was union for several years before he decided to try something different and more stable. You can always go back to non-union if you decide the union isn't for you.
I don't get where my boss and owner got that from then because that doesn't sound right if they weren't going to allow Someone choose what they want to do , Like you said the union isn't for everyone . But I'm taking a chance because im
Only 21 and I'm young enough to actually see if I go far. I won't settle as a cw for long if they can't move me up the chain. Il do whatever it takes to get that apprentice pos. I know it won't be easy.
Heavyduty5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2016, 06:00 PM   #8
Old Grumpy Bastard
 
MechanicalDVR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: "Old Dominion"
Posts: 59,528
Rewards Points: 1,468
Default

As a rule it's only non Union companies that have restrictive clauses on going to work for other companies with in a given distance in an area to avoid you taking customers.
__________________
I'm as Christian as possible in the times we live in.

Always just a stallion in a china shop
MechanicalDVR is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2016, 06:23 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
dreamcrusher28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Long Island
Posts: 106
Rewards Points: 38
Default

"You can always go back!..." What movie is that from??
dreamcrusher28 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2016, 07:01 PM   #10
86 45 20
 
Southeast Power's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 17,810
Rewards Points: 8,300
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyduty5 View Post
I just got sworn in Union couple days ago... Now I was working non Union for year and half ... My boss and Forman and the owner all trusted over my other co workers. Anyways the owner and Forman kept trying to talk me out of it. Saying a bunch of negative stuff. One thing they told me is that once I go Union , I can't go back working non Union... I don't get that? If this Union job doesn't work out for me how is it that my local won't let me go work non Union... I'm thinking this is just false rumors but yea I'm starting off as a CW2 11.00 hr. If it doesn't work out what would happen? My main goal though is to get in the apprentice program, I'm not worried it won't but that's in the back of my mind when i start any new job.
You have a chance to better yourself and possibly get a world class education.
Go to work, be there ready to work, don't hesitate to do any job asked of you, work hard, don't be afraid to get dirty, and go home tired.
Of course you can go back, some do. Some people can't get along no matter where they are.
You sound like you might be more squared away than average. I say welcome to the Brotherhood. I think you will do well.
Southeast Power is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2016, 07:04 PM   #11
:-)
 
daveEM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Alberta
Posts: 3,670
Rewards Points: 2,382
Default

"When you leave that way you can never go back" << from a song I think.

Anyway of course you can go non-union. But stay union if possible. In 40 years when you get that cheque in the mail every month for sitting on your ass you will remember me.
John Valdes likes this.
__________________
<<
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


I like perfect.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
daveEM is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to daveEM For This Useful Post:
Old 03-05-2016, 12:54 AM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ny
Posts: 38
Rewards Points: 78
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrannis View Post
You have a chance to better yourself and possibly get a world class education.
Go to work, be there ready to work, don't hesitate to do any job asked of you, work hard, don't be afraid to get dirty, and go home tired.
Of course you can go back, some do. Some people can't get along no matter where they are.
You sound like you might be more squared away than average. I say welcome to the Brotherhood. I think you will do well.
Oh I know I'm not scared to get dirty haha. I for sure work my butt off. I think il do fine , I literally goto work. Get told what to do and get it done , I mean that's what most ppl should do?!
Heavyduty5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2016, 05:53 AM   #13
Small Potatoes
 
flyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: North East USA Treasure Coast Florida
Posts: 4,986
Rewards Points: 3,708
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyduty5 View Post
Haha yea no secret handshake . I'm just making sure if this doesn't work out for me . I liked the non Union shop I was working for . Just the pay wasn't great (not terrible) and I'm more focus on my career rather than the present . I'm young so I can afford to test new things out , hopfully this works out for me
You've got a good attitude. My instincts tell me your going to do well whether it's Union or non Union.

Just give it your best, either way; and try to hook up with a well established company. Keep learning and always practice the "Golden Rule".

Good Luck!
flyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to flyboy For This Useful Post:
donaldelectrician (03-05-2016)
Old 03-05-2016, 01:08 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Philly
Posts: 159
Rewards Points: 318
Default

If you are Union and get laid off, then you can't go work for a non Union employer unless you get an okay from the hall. However if you leave the IBEW all together then you go work wherever you want. If you have the choice, dont leave the IBEW. What is a CW2? Like a Seasonal helper?
Jay82304 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2016, 06:29 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
blueheels2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 549
Rewards Points: 328
Default

I organized in 3 years ago and I could go back if I wanted but I don't want to. I make more money and have better benefits. And I've got 3 years I've paid in to my retirement. I think you will find the grass is greener on this side. I will say for most it will be greater on the union side. Imo you have to be a superstar making more money nonunion.
blueheels2 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to blueheels2 For This Useful Post:
Bad Electrician (03-05-2016)
Old 03-05-2016, 07:19 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Bad Electrician's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: I Moved, VA
Posts: 4,154
Rewards Points: 4,969
Default

When I worked open shop I worked with guys that were union times were really tough and they were told it would 10-18 months before they MIGHT go back to work, they worked open shop when work picked up they went back to work.

Of course no one at the hall knew this I would assume.

But if you are union and there is steady work why would you want to go back ASSUMING you joined the union for education, money and bennies. I would not do anything for a year just keep working union you will see this is like any other job.

There has always been some hard feelings between open shop and union and some on both sides of the fence have misconceptions about the other side. Do not believe everything you hear. Find out for yourself.
__________________
I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth.
Bad Electrician is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bad Electrician For This Useful Post:
sparky970 (03-05-2016)
Old 03-06-2016, 07:58 PM   #17
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ny
Posts: 38
Rewards Points: 78
Default

What if I get laid off and they tell me I won't be back to work for more then 4 months or 5 or long time. I'd have to quit and find a job
Heavyduty5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2016, 09:02 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
cabletie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: N.J.
Posts: 1,698
Rewards Points: 1,274
Default

If you are single, try and keep your expenses down to what you will make on unemployement. It gets harder to do that as your family gets bigger. Try and keep enough money in savings to cary you through the tough times.

I don't think CW/CE can travel to other locals to work, but when you have your "A" ticket sign neighboring locals books. You can pull money from your annuity plan to pay bills if you have to. That is not the best thing you can do because there are penalties, but I would not want to loose my house knowing I have $500,000 in my annuity that I could get to. Some locals have extra unemployment funds to draw from. Some have vacation funds you can pull from. Ours has a suplimental health fund. You can use that tax free money to pay any out of pocket medical expenses, or pay your premium if you are going to loose your health benifits. I would have to be out of work over a year before I would have to pay my own.

You can do any other work, just not electrical. You can teach and inspect electrical without penalties, but that would effect your unemployment insurance. You have to do what you have to do to feed your family.

Last edited by cabletie; 03-06-2016 at 09:07 PM.
cabletie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Back to work after 11 months off NDC General Electrical Discussion 7 06-01-2016 06:38 AM
To join the union or not HAL9000 Union Topics 46 03-02-2016 06:28 PM
Should I go union Ninjanick Union Topics 37 02-27-2016 11:51 AM
Caught between union and non union shops DownInGeorgia General Electrical Discussion 31 02-05-2016 10:04 AM
Union vs non Union mstrlucky74 General Electrical Discussion 9 01-12-2016 01:44 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PaintTalk.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com