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Old 03-01-2016, 05:27 PM   #41
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:27 PM   #42
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but how much of that $8/hr do I get to keep, some of that goes to dues and benefits
None of it goes to benefits. Your pensions and fringes are in addition to the stated wage rate.

Only nonunion contractors sell you things and then classify them as company benefits.
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The way it has always been it explained to us non-union guys is that the difference in pay if offset by dues and other union related costs
That's exactly what nonunion contractors want you to believe. Take the wage difference of 8.00 an hour. On an 8 hour day, that's 64.00 a day, or 320.00 a week, Do you really think union dues are $16,640.00 a year?

Call your union hall and find out for yourself what working dues are, and stop listening to people who do not have your best interests at heart.
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That is good to know, I am a really hard worker and would love to add to my experience, I get along very well with others, I was worried that I would have a hard time advancing in the union because everything is based off seniority
No IBEW construction local is seniority based. STOP listening to people who do not have your best interests at heart.
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Does anyone know if I go Union .. And let's say I wanted to quit and go back non Union ... Could I ? I was told once I go Union it's hard to go back non Union company
No, if you join then quit it's like trying to leave the Hell's Angels. We send the goon squad to hunt you and everyone you love down and then we... no wait, just kidding, that's what you boss told you right?

Going nonunion once you've been an IBEW member is like staying at a fleabag motel after you've gotten used to staying at 5 star hotels. Still, some people find their IBEW experience less than stellar and end up going back nonunion but that's an exception, not the rule.

Note: It's true there are some open shops out there where this is not the case. The question is, are you going to get a job with one of them? In the IBEW you know what the rules and the standards are, if you go from one open shop to another you have to learn that on the job as you go.

Our union has organized shops, and sometimes a few organized hands leave the union and go back to working nonunion. My take on their rationale is (and, this is my opinion as I see it, nothing more so take it for what it's worth) that these guys were used to being the top-paid top dog in their shop and their egos were stroked by the fact that they were better than everyone else, and compensated the best, and could get away with treating everyone else like dog do-do.

They couldn't cope with the idea that everyone gets paid the same, they can't boss every inferiorly-paid hand around, or that a project is a team effort and everyone pitches in the best they can based on their particular strengths and abilities, or that we all share in developing marketable and value- added skills so that no one person is the "only guy" who can get something done or work on a particular system.

Your life changes for the better when you can walk into work everyday and priority #1 is not to outshine as many other co-workers as possible in order to enjoy continued employment.

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Around here all non union guys to the community college for night school and most of the good non union shops will pay for their apprentices school. We have to pay 500 a semester plus books, which is not bad but I do not know of one union apprentice who has ever had their schooling paid for.
I never heard of an IBEW apprentice paying for his/her own schooling.
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As far as retirement and health insurance I would have to agree with you. This is where the union shines but if your in a six to eight month working local like mine then I do not know if the retirement is really going to be that great for you.
Once the minimum number of working hours is achieved, you get a pension credit for the year. Even in a high-employment local some members might not get a pension credit for having too few hours - I had a year like that when I was on compensation for quite a while. It still beats no pension at all.
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I got sworn in today actually. Overwhelming .. A lot of info to take in lol. Other than that it feels kinda good. I'm just going to let it all sink in
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