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Old 01-01-2019, 07:25 PM   #21
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Makes me wonder Bc how could they get the package if they were never in an apprentiship program .

Have you ever seen this happen
Iím shure the union would do anything to prevent the contractor from hiring guys of Craigís list .
What to heck does completing an apprenticeship program have to do with paying a working person a working wage?

If you hire off the streets and get the worker into the union that is a win for the local, one less open shop worker for open shops to hire.
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Old 01-01-2019, 07:30 PM   #22
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really wow i never seen that that
what year

1976, 1977, 1978.......to present, with the exception of a few lean years (and maybe before 1976)
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"If you hire off the streets and get the worker into the union that is a win for the local, one less open shop worker for open shops to hire."



I disagree with this statement, organize the top tier talent, not the guy from Craig's list chosen by the contractor instead of chosen by us. The IO may want any heartbeat, I want to work with better than that. The selection process at the hall gives a better chance at that than the contractor choosing.
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Many union workers I have worked with who started non union were the best workers on the job, especially their work ethic and attendance.

Many union workers I have worked with who only worked union have terrible work ethic, entitlement issues and are not dependable.
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Everybody's seasonal. Nobody's got a permanent job in this trade. Especially union guys. And union shops usually call the hall for more help, if and when they need it.
My guys are all permanent.
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"If you hire off the streets and get the worker into the union that is a win for the local, one less open shop worker for open shops to hire."



I disagree with this statement, organize the top tier talent, not the guy from Craig's list chosen by the contractor instead of chosen by us. The IO may want any heartbeat, I want to work with better than that. The selection process at the hall gives a better chance at that than the contractor choosing.
Of course, everyone wants the best but the best are well compensated in open shops in our area, I have spent 34 years wooing open shop men to fill the void. Our local works hard to get the best from open shops to fill calls.

We have had full employment for years, while the rest of the nation was scrounging for work, we are scrounging for men. Some of the men we got off the streets are better than the bench warmers (when there is full employment) the hall can furnish. And our hall has many excellent electricians but when you get to the bottom of the barrel any warm body that wants to work looks good. And now that there is good employment nationwide travellers are staying home.

Our local has had this philosophy for years and is a growing local how is your local doing?
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Work is good,has been for a while. Organizing has been a double edged sword, we have more work and more members. We have fewer at the contract votes and fewer at the meetings. The local has less influence on the job site than in the past.



I have no idea what my new co-workers quals are, what he knows or what his idea of safe work is any more. I am disappointed many times when I have to teach basic skills and safety practices to a "journeyman". Sure, we all continue to learn and need to be open to new ideas, new being the key word.



Apprenticeship has value, that value is not negated when the new hire simply has a state license. Applicants need to be vetted, the contractor has neither the motivation, nor the long term commitment to the membership to accomplish that vetting.
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My guys are all permanent.
Then you're the rare exception. Most contractors can't afford to pay guys to stand around, and the shop can only be swept so many times when it's slow, and you're waiting for jobs to start. I hope your guys appreciate it.
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Work is good,has been for a while. Organizing has been a double edged sword, we have more work and more members. We have fewer at the contract votes and fewer at the meetings. The local has less influence on the job site than in the past.



I have no idea what my new co-workers quals are, what he knows or what his idea of safe work is any more. I am disappointed many times when I have to teach basic skills and safety practices to a "journeyman". Sure, we all continue to learn and need to be open to new ideas, new being the key word.



Apprenticeship has value, that value is not negated when the new hire simply has a state license. Applicants need to be vetted, the contractor has neither the motivation, nor the long term commitment to the membership to accomplish that vetting.

And if you came to work for me I'd have to teach you a lot I doubt you know should I be disappointed in you? Or as a good DECENT person do you (or me) step up and teach. Me I teach others, in lieu of taking a high and mighty better than them approach.

So typical of poor members that hurt the union with the I am better than you.
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So nice of you to decide who is a poor member, judging me judgmental, how ironic. Calling people bench warmers? How kind of you to let us know how caring you are.



Work for you pal? I don't think so, you must be kinda a big deal huh? What with you knowing so much and all, and having so much to teach me, oh boy.



You been talked down to a bunch to get such a chip on your shoulder?
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Everybodys getting all butthurt this year! Lol

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So nice of you to decide who is a poor member, judging me judgmental, how ironic. Calling people bench warmers? How kind of you to let us know how caring you are.



Work for you pal? I don't think so, you must be kinda a big deal huh? What with you knowing so much and all, and having so much to teach me, oh boy.



You been talked down to a bunch to get such a chip on your shoulder?
Not at all but you stated you do not want to teach others that are JWs that is a foolish arrogant statement and I stand by my comment that I doubt you could come to work for my company and know what it takes to complete job one. Not because you are stupid but because you most likely have not been exposed to the type of work I do. All my employees teach new employees because that is what DECENT people do.
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I just get tired of arrogant union members that think they know it all. Like they have a lock on knowledge.
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Henry Miller didn't go through the apprenticeship. I had 10 years as an electrician, came in as a third year apprentice after refusing to take the JW test, and I am still "back door trash" to some of my local members.
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Henry Miller didn't go through the apprenticeship. I had 10 years as an electrician, came in as a third year apprentice after refusing to take the JW test, and I am still "back door trash" to some of my local members.
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I had 10 years as an electrician, came in as a third year apprentice after refusing to take the JW test, and I am still "back door trash" to some of my local members.

I have seen this many times, I worked open shop 8 years when I came into the local I had "A" JWs that refused to work with me. Best part was years later the company they work for were hiring my firm to do work for jobs some of these workers were on.

Two of the almighty quit the local to start open shops.
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I have seen this many times, I worked open shop 8 years when I came into the local I had "A" JWs that refused to work with me. Best part was years later the company they work for were hiring my firm to do work for jobs some of these workers were on.

Two of the almighty quit the local to start open shops.
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Not at all but you stated you do not want to teach others that are JWs that is a foolish arrogant statement and I stand by my comment that I doubt you could come to work for my company and know what it takes to complete job one. Not because you are stupid but because you most likely have not been exposed to the type of work I do. All my employees teach new employees because that is what DECENT people do.

I guess a big time guy like you loves having the new guys to teach, take under your wing, make you feel like the great guy.



Like I said before, the contractor is not the best choice for steering organizing, simply because compliancy is their first choice. I'm sure you will deny this, seeing as you are the decent type and all.



I will stand by my earlier statement, organized JWs have no track for formalized training, some are the best, and are an asset to the local. Some are dangerous, at a higher percentage, in my 39 years, than the white paper man . I've lived it without, maybe you need to work more in the field big timer.



It would be unfortunate if a shop owner had any input outside of NECA, to bad so many locals let them carry a card.
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@Taconite, you are barkingup the wrong tree. BJ is a good union employer, knows more about electrical testing and troubleshooting than me and you ever will. Could he wire a house probably not but he still knows more about electrical than anyone I have ever met. That is saying something because between Hax and I it doesn't get any better.
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