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Old 09-02-2019, 08:29 AM   #21
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I borrow others who already have their own business and will let them run the show when I’ve needed help for larger jobs. I recognized they were better at that than I was. I have my skill set and get borrowed to fill that role so it works out well. Have a new truck with a lift coming so that’ll help with lifting heavy stuff. The statement that good people are hard to find is true. Not to say I couldn’t develop some. I don’t have as dim a view about the younger generation as some do, as I see some of that in myself from that age. I remain optimistic.
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Old 09-02-2019, 09:10 AM   #22
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Is it really only age? 50 or even 60 isn’t old for an experienced worker with a clear mind. If his body is a little beat up, that’s what apprentices are for, to do the grunt work.

I hate to say it but I see too many older workers who are unfit emotionally and mentally through drug abuse, alcoholism and just not being in a healthy state of mind. Sure, a young person can be a user and have personal problems but he can still perform at work.
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Is it really only age? 50 or even 60 isn’t old for an experienced worker with a clear mind. If his body is a little beat up, that’s what apprentices are for, to do the grunt work.

I hate to say it but I see too many older workers who are unfit emotionally and mentally through drug abuse, alcoholism and just not being in a healthy state of mind. Sure, a young person can be a user and have personal problems but he can still perform at work.
Spot on with this observation. Despite all the arthritis I have, healthy diet and conservative choices make a difference. If I did the full caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, pills 5-6 days a week I'd be finished. Use these items in moderation and you'll last a lot longer. Also, keeping that weight under control. When you bend a step on a 350lb rated ladder, it's time to go on a diet. Here at the Airport, we've had guys that weighed 300+ pounds and one who tipped the scale over 400. They also break the seats in the trucks too
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The two items I had going against me was ibew and St. Louis County government. As we speak, the state of Missouri is developing a process of a "state" license to do away with the lock that heritage ibew contractors had for so long. Even local-1 president is against his own jw getting their license and starting their own business. Can include St. Louis Cit-ay, but I have no interest in doing business here at all, always turn those customers away.
What I did not anticipate was the devastation OBAMA CARE would be to me. My health care cost went from under $20,000.oo a year in 2009 to over $100,000.oo a year by 2011. Since then it drifted up to $140,000.oo a year since. Now how am I suppose to get a policy for that? I will have to continue to work for a big box, such as the airport until my 66th birthday for Medicare. It's an easy job but the people suck, including having main residency in the cit-ay. I'd like to leave, but will need a health care policy to cover existing chemo. One of the NON ibew contractors doing work here is interested, but I'm not 25 or even 45 years old anymore. Lots of choices nowadays, but I have to limit myself because of my arthritis.
Any body or organization that supported obama/democraps in 2008 can drop dexd. You have no idea how much a game changer 2009/2010 where for those of us using certain target types of chemo. And what does the government do with all those taxes collected on those meds? Give it out to free loaders who never paid into the system.
How did the 100k to 140k per year insurance come about?
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You want to know what to do with the "old guy's"? Honor them, respect them, learn from them, and in some cases get the "F" out of our way. I refuse to grow up, and have been sticking to that plan. I keep up with the youngsters just fine, and usually I'm the one waiting on them to catch up. Most old timers work with their heads, not their backs. And more often than not, the youngsters appreciate being shown the "easy way" as opposed to their way. Maybe I've been blessed to be lacking in the ailments effecting the majority of the "elderly", or maybe it's mind over matter, either way, I do what I gotta, and haven't had any complaints yet.
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Who is going to teach the young guys and gals?
Who is going to show the young guys how to really work!!
Who is going to answer that question that only come with experience.
On and On and On.

Just because some old guys ride the system most are the leaders.

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Who is going to teach the young guys and gals?
Who is going to show the young guys how to really work!!
Who is going to answer that question that only come with experience.
On and On and On.

Just because some old guys ride the system most are the leaders.

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Absolutely right that one time we’re the older guy catches something that should be done a diff way and it safes everybody time or material is deff worth it . And they usually are the best leaders and mentors.

A lot of us would not have the skill sets we do if it wasn’t for the old timers taking the time to teach us those tricks you never seen befor but come in so dame handy
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I'll be 67 in 20 days, pulled a 30 hour day last week with an in the 30's crew and carried my own, carried the pack and directed the entire project while running up the road 80 miles and back to test a 100 lb circuit breaker manhandling it by myself in the shop and getting back to the job at midnight having to motivate the crew to keep moving. And we were short two men.

But SO FAR my genes have been good to me, I see many in the 50's that eat wrong, drink (alcohol) and smoke and then moan about getting old. These habits just exacerbate the aging process I THINK? Sort of the sins of our youth become the burden of aging.

Yeah, I am a hero (IN MY MIND).

Saw The Who last night and Roger was moving and dancing across the stage at 75 for 2-1/2 hours.
I came out of the military in 1958 with over a year of school and 3 years working as a electrician on a Air Force Base. Went to the local hall and they said if would have to attend their school. That did't work for me. Go a job with a no union and worked for them for 17 years. The last 5 years plus was in the Caribbean. Was in business for 13 years and then 17 years for the Fed Gov. I am now 84 and still work about 4 hours a day, doing repair on auto equipment, (water plants,sewer, lift station etc. I also do repair for a local co that builds underground mine equipment.I do not work because of money but because I can not set in the house and my doctors tell me if I like what I do it is the best thing to keep doing it.
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I miss how SlickVic used to reply to older electricians on forums. Those were classic.
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I don't remember.
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Well, I guess the rest of you candy asses can just pipe down now. In fact I think I am going to pipe down.

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I came out of the military in 1958 with over a year of school and 3 years working as a electrician on a Air Force Base. Went to the local hall and they said if would have to attend their school. That did't work for me. Go a job with a no union and worked for them for 17 years. The last 5 years plus was in the Caribbean. Was in business for 13 years and then 17 years for the Fed Gov. I am now 84 and still work about 4 hours a day, doing repair on auto equipment, (water plants,sewer, lift station etc. I also do repair for a local co that builds underground mine equipment.I do not work because of money but because I can not set in the house and my doctors tell me if I like what I do it is the best thing to keep doing it.
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I don't remember.

Probably cause you were way younger. He used to rant about old guys on his job site. Hated them....
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Probably cause you were way younger. He used to rant about old guys on his job site. Hated them....
Now he's too good for us, him in his designer suits and $200K/year BA salary


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Is that what happened to him?
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How did the 100k to 140k per year insurance come about?
The "Affordable Health Care Act of 2009".
There was a time when you could google the information. It's somewhere in the 4,400 page document. Today, IMO you would have to go to some Federal document office and pay for a copy of 4,400 pages, then find it. Health care cost is a land mine that can screw anyone, no matter how prepared for the future/retirement you are. And NO I'm not for "Universal Health Care" or "Government run health care". These programs allow people who never paid into the system "freebies" that we have to pay for. Only those who pay in should be eligible.
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pfft....I have 8 guys from 50-65....they are my best workers.

a bum is a bum age doesn't matter
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The "Affordable Health Care Act of 2009".
There was a time when you could google the information. It's somewhere in the 4,400 page document. Today, IMO you would have to go to some Federal document office and pay for a copy of 4,400 pages, then find it. Health care cost is a land mine that can screw anyone, no matter how prepared for the future/retirement you are. And NO I'm not for "Universal Health Care" or "Government run health care". These programs allow people who never paid into the system "freebies" that we have to pay for. Only those who pay in should be eligible.
I agree, that was reason I went to work for the Fed God was for health care. It really has paid off for me and my wife. Hope you have good health care.
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I'll be 67 in 20 days, pulled a 30 hour day last week with an in the 30's crew and carried my own, carried the pack and directed the entire project while running up the road 80 miles and back to test a 100 lb circuit breaker manhandling it by myself in the shop and getting back to the job at midnight having to motivate the crew to keep moving. And we were short two men.

But SO FAR my genes have been good to me, I see many in the 50's that eat wrong, drink (alcohol) and smoke and then moan about getting old. These habits just exacerbate the aging process I THINK? Sort of the sins of our youth become the burden of aging.

Yeah, I am a hero (IN MY MIND).

Saw The Who last night and Roger was moving and dancing across the stage at 75 for 2-1/2 hours.
Went to the Who at Fenway Park Friday night. Roger and Pete were awesome. Some Old Guys still got it

LOOOVED the violin player, the crowd went ape**** when she came out on the stage at the end of Baba Orielly (about 4:00)
this is not my video, I was to the left of the stage.

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When I was coming up I got paired with one of those grouchy old men. He taught me a lot. Working with some of the other electricians I have, I realize the favor he did me by actively taking an interest in teaching me, rather than just using me as a helper. So, at least for some of the old timers, pair them up with a sharp apprentice. Gotta keep that knowledge moving to new generations.
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