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Old 02-23-2018, 08:24 PM   #21
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The Unions I worked for taught me that no matter how hard you try, you'll never earn more than the slack jobs you get to work with, and they taught me how employees will intentionally manipulate circumstances to screw over businesses.
In my experience that is completely untrue.

The least I ever made over scale was $1 hr, the most over scale $5 plus beau coup extras with it.

I have always had a truck to take home, company phone, credit card, petty cash, OT, DT, call out pay, etc

I've had employers feed me side work for their friends and used my company truck and materials to do the jobs.

I doubt I've just been lucky.
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:41 PM   #22
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In my experience that is completely untrue.

The least I ever made over scale was $1 hr, the most over scale $5 plus beau coup extras with it.

I have always had a truck to take home, company phone, credit card, petty cash, OT, DT, call out pay, etc

I've had employers feed me side work for their friends and used my company truck and materials to do the jobs.

I doubt I've just been lucky.

No, I think it's because you worked for the IBEW.

There are many other unions, who electricians work for. Is this thread just about the IBEW union?
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love how you broke off the rest of the quote. Kinda sad actually.
Why was that sad?

It isn't an experience that Hacks nor I shared so it's semi irrelevant to the info Hack posted.
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What has the Union done for me?

Blocked entrances, blocked aisleways, sabotaged my work and degraded my electricians.
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Did you copy that from the "Why I don't work for GCs" topic.
I've worked along side 1000 non-Union electricians and never felt the need to sabotage their work.

They seem to lock themselves out, get in their own way, have poor housekeeping habits and their pipe work always looks like it was sabotaged.
I have experienced the exact kind of thing @sbrn33 is talking about.

Was my work shabby next to the heroic union contracor's? In the years since, the customer has brought me all the subsequent business. They'd rather eat worms than hire the union contractor again.
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I have experienced the exact kind of thing @sbrn33 is talking about.

Was my work shabby next to the heroic union contracor's? In the years since, the customer has brought me all the subsequent business. They'd rather eat worms than hire the union contractor again.
So you and sabrina had a bad experience with a union contractor. Sounds terrible.
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So you and sabrina had a bad experience with a union contractor. Sounds terrible.
I have had plenty of bad experiences with all kinds of contractors.

I just don't like people pretending there aren't douchebags that feel it's there duty to perpetrate this bull****,

I don't like people insinuating that it's really just that my work is garbage,

and I don't like people pretending unions are some kind of white knight for the standing up for the little guy, *I* am the little guy.
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I have had plenty of bad experiences with all kinds of contractors.

I just don't like people pretending there aren't douchebags that feel it's there duty to perpetrate this bull****,

I don't like people insinuating that it's really just that my work is garbage,

and I don't like people pretending unions are some kind of white knight for the standing up for the little guy, *I* am the little guy.
I once asked sabrina to show me on the doll where the IBEW touched him. But then I found him in the corner humping the doll.
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No, I think it's because you worked for the IBEW.

There are many other unions, who electricians work for. Is this thread just about the IBEW union?
You could be correct, in this forum I just think IBEW.
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I only chose to respond to one topic. Do you want to discuss the other one? If you do, I would be happy to.



I have never personally seen this, nor would I tolerate it.

My local has 200+ contractors who voluntarily signed with the union because it benefits them. We have a mutual respect for each other and work together as a team.

Lazy bums get fired. Getting fired twice gets you kicked out of the local. They embarrass us all. And those who sabotage contractors are dealt with harshly.

If you read my other posts about the union, you will see that I have said some pretty negative things. I am open and honest about it in both directions.
That is great and that means some IBEW locals have finally turned the corner on the old way of doing things.

But I'm sure old attitudes still remain. Perhaps that will die off completely once that old guard is gone.
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I have had plenty of bad experiences with all kinds of contractors.

I just don't like people pretending there aren't douchebags that feel it's there duty to perpetrate this bull****,

I don't like people insinuating that it's really just that my work is garbage,

and I don't like people pretending unions are some kind of white knight for the standing up for the little guy, *I* am the little guy.
Are there crappy Union contractors? Sure there are but you have some recourse and the hall behind you to move on to a better one. Not a huge thing.


Are there crappy non Union contractors? Sure there are but do the employees have recourse? Not really, they quit or get fired and they are on their own to go find another job and hopefully it's with a better contractor.


I'm not anti non Union by any means.

A couple of my Uncles had very large non Union shops with very happy employees. But those shops are more the exception than the rule.
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You could be correct, in this forum I just think IBEW.
True, I knew better. From now on I will just let you high and mighty's just whack your own peters.
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True, I knew better. From now on I will just let you high and mighty's just whack your own peters.
Does that mean you non Union guys do each others????

Asking for a friend.
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I have nothing against that hobby.

I just prefer to make my own home made stuff.
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Like the title says what has the union done for you personally, not as an industry, or trade. For me, I was working out of town and was provided housing and $2.5/hr per diem. It was discovered that where we were staying had bed bugs and the contractor said tough titties. Your on your own. Keep in mind that where I was working is a tourist destination town and the cheap hotels were 50-60 per night at the time. Come April those rates will double or even triple. The contractor then said that they would give us $5/hr taxed per diem which still isnít much for this town. The local fought and got us $6/hr untaxed which allowed me to find a my own room to rent And pay for food and gas.

Whatís your story of the local fighting for you?
I know brothers that traveled because there is no local work. Going to Cali to work on the solar or Bay Area. They complain about the same thing. Cheap motels, bed bugs, being in bad areas, long drives, & prices of everything near the job. Except because they're traveling their are paying for that flee bag motel. For financial reasons it dosn't pencil out to pay for a better place. Some go as far as sleeping in their vehicle. Then having a gym membership to use shower and toilet. Making a lot of money but living like they got evicted. Many still don't do that great. Working crazy hours, living in a cheap motel, paying for laundry, local taxes, local dues, and high food costs. It works out to around a normal 40 hr week back home.
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The intention of the union is good but sometimes I think they put organizing over anything else.

Our local is small so if you put up too much of a fuss, even if it is a legit contract issue, then you are usually sent down the road and put on the do not hire list.
It's like that with some EC in Vegas. Some have gotten their last check because they brought up a mistake on the one the week before.
Seems like the big EC run the hall more then the members.
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It's like that with some EC in Vegas. Some have gotten their last check because they brought up a mistake on the one the week before.
Seems like the big EC run the hall more then the members.
This is a reality. The best thing we can do is not only put the hard work in to stay internally organized, but to advance to foreman, general foreman, and supervisory positions or start our own conpanirs to run work more in line with our ideals.

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I know brothers that traveled because there is no local work. Going to Cali to work on the solar or Bay Area. They complain about the same thing. Cheap motels, bed bugs, being in bad areas, long drives, & prices of everything near the job. Except because they're traveling their are paying for that flee bag motel. For financial reasons it dosn't pencil out to pay for a better place. Some go as far as sleeping in their vehicle. Then having a gym membership to use shower and toilet. Making a lot of money but living like they got evicted. Many still don't do that great. Working crazy hours, living in a cheap motel, paying for laundry, local taxes, local dues, and high food costs. It works out to around a normal 40 hr week back home.
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winnebago and park that beeatch on the beach like
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