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Old 08-06-2019, 11:19 PM   #21
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I read about a 2020 code proposal to have clothes dryers GFI protected
Why not make them TR while they're at it

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I read about a 2020 code proposal to have clothes dryers GFI protected 🙄
So, we are gonna be "protecting" washing machines, dishwashers, dryers. That way the makers of same can cut more corners and sell more crap than already they do now. And we will be paying the insurance against catastrophic failure for them. Great idea. Welcome to the new world order. It only gets better and better.



We got a Maytag washer and dryer in 1988. Still runs like champs. Nowadays the Maytags they sell might last three years if you are lucky as hell. Might.
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Why not make them TR while they're at it
Not that I am actually advocating for this,but the washer outlet adjacent to the dryer outlet is required to be TR. Which outlet to you think a butter knife or a set of keys fit better into - a 5-15 or a 14-30?
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Not that I am actually advocating for this,but the washer outlet adjacent to the dryer outlet is required to be TR. Which outlet to you think a butter knife or a set of keys fit better into - a 5-15 or a 14-30?
I get the reason why they're not currently TR... something should be plugged into them.

But with the day and age of EV chargers that plug in, they should be making TR versions of all 125, 250, and 125/250 volt receptacles (such as but not limited to: 6-15, 6-20, 6-30, 6-50, 14-30, 14-50 and 14-60 receptacles. These are commonly installed in homes... except may be the 14-60... only used that one twice.)

Maybe make a TR line of them and keep the non TR for places we don't need them to be TR (like commercial, industrial, etc.)

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We got a Maytag washer and dryer in 1988. Still runs like champs. Nowadays the Maytags they sell might last three years if you are lucky as hell. Might.
My Maytags are from 1979, raised 3 kids on them, still work just fine.
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My Maytags are from 1979, raised 3 kids on them, still work just fine.
The GE washer and dryer we bought in 2010 was dead two years ago ad that is with just two people.

My Gran's old Maytag is still going strong! Seems it has more steel in it than most new cars.
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Could somebody refer me to an article or two about the ineffectiveness of AFCI's? I know a lot of guys on here don't like them I just don't know enough to feel strongly either way.

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EC&M magazine had several good articles on AFCI circuit breakers. Most problems have been worked out. Problems occur when electrical equipment, LEDs, appliances, digital power supplies,.. etc.. are not built to NEMA and FCC specifications. Also avoid multi wire circuits.
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EC&M magazine had several good articles on AFCI circuit breakers. Most problems have been worked out. Problems occur when electrical equipment, LEDs, appliances, digital power supplies,.. etc.. are not built to NEMA and FCC specifications. Also avoid multi wire circuits.
Who paid you to say that? Probably the same company that produced that article which was nothing more than paid propaganda from the manufacturers.
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Washer has to be AF and GF. 240 and 3 phase not required. Refrigerator and DW also require AF and GF protection which can be accomplished with a dual function breaker.
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I have been to at least 15 classes on the NEC over the years and agree, they have lost their mines. They should take advice from other that pencils pushers. I think alot of it is MONEY
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I have been to at least 15 classes on the NEC over the years and agree, they have lost their mines. They should take advice from other that pencils pushers. I think alot of it is MONEY
Damn straight. Just look at how many people with a vested interest sit on the code committees.
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The GE washer and dryer we bought in 2010 was dead two years ago ad that is with just two people.

My Gran's old Maytag is still going strong! Seems it has more steel in it than most new cars.

Speed Queen is (was) known as the new Maytag washer. There was a cult following of their last washing machine and then they replaced it with a questionable unit. Some people are really into old school agitator washing machines, you can find hundreds of full length cycle videos on YouTube (no joke).
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Fridgies and freezers on GFCI or Arc faults?

No thank you.

Too many valuable steaks and salmon fillets at risk.
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Speed Queen is (was) known as the new Maytag washer. There was a cult following of their last washing machine and then they replaced it with a questionable unit. Some people are really into old school agitator washing machines, you can find hundreds of full length cycle videos on YouTube (no joke).

An old fashioned agitator machine is what I replaced the expensive dead one with.
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Speed Queen is (was) known as the new Maytag washer. There was a cult following of their last washing machine and then they replaced it with a questionable unit. Some people are really into old school agitator washing machines, you can find hundreds of full length cycle videos on YouTube (no joke).
I am not sure of if you are insinuating that Speed Queen and Maytag are the same company, but they are not. Speed Queen manufactures it's appliances in Ripon, Wisconsin and has not ever been affiliated with Maytag. BTW, we have a Kenmore (Whirlpool/Maytag) washer and are very pleased with it.

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Who paid you to say that? Probably the same company that produced that article which was nothing more than paid propaganda from the manufacturers.
My experience is changed from 5 years ago , when I was quite vocal here at this forum against them for multiple reasons. I don't see false trip issues any longer. The thing still costs close to $50 dollars, which bites , but if it does actually work to mitigate arc faults from proceeding into fire I'm not mad to spend the money. If they (manufacturer's) are still lying and they don't help at all, I wanna be the first guy in the line to torch the business and the CO's house to the ground.....
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I am not sure of if you are insinuating that Speed Queen and Maytag are the same company, but they are not. Speed Queen manufactures it's appliances in Ripon, Wisconsin and has not ever been affiliated with Maytag. BTW, we have a Kenmore (Whirlpool/Maytag) washer and are very pleased with it.

No, I meant in the vain of spiritual successor. American made, beefy motor, transmission, same dimensions, agitator, deep fill, 30 min cycle.... all things that made the old Maytags tick. Comes with a price tag, though. I think they start at like $1000.


https://speedqueen.com/products/home-products/top-load-washers/tc5/

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My experience is changed from 5 years ago , when I was quite vocal here at this forum against them for multiple reasons. I don't see false trip issues any longer. The thing still costs close to $50 dollars, which bites , but if it does actually work to mitigate arc faults from proceeding into fire I'm not mad to spend the money. If they (manufacturer's) are still lying and they don't help at all, I wanna be the first guy in the line to torch the business and the CO's house to the ground.....

I've lost all respect for you Mikey.

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I am in Chicago where the inspectors snear at us if we mention AFCI's, when I work five miles away in Northridge I have to install a two pole 15 AFCI when I extend a multi wire branch circuit to add an outlet in a townhouse master bedroom. Go figure. Chicago has always held itself to a higher standard of electrical safety, a legacy of the great fire and the Catholic school fire in the 60's. I am surprised that they are not all over AFCI's. Might they know something we mear electricians are not privy to?

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Go figure. Chicago has always held itself to a higher standard of electrical safety, a legacy of the great fire and the Catholic school fire in the 60's. I am surprised that they are not all over AFCI's. Might they know something we mear electricians are not privy to?

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