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Old 08-06-2019, 10:19 PM   #21
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I read about a 2020 code proposal to have clothes dryers GFI protected
Why not make them TR while they're at it

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Old 08-06-2019, 10:22 PM   #22
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I read about a 2020 code proposal to have clothes dryers GFI protected 🙄
So, we are gonna be "protecting" washing machines, dishwashers, dryers. That way the makers of same can cut more corners and sell more crap than already they do now. And we will be paying the insurance against catastrophic failure for them. Great idea. Welcome to the new world order. It only gets better and better.



We got a Maytag washer and dryer in 1988. Still runs like champs. Nowadays the Maytags they sell might last three years if you are lucky as hell. Might.
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Why not make them TR while they're at it
Not that I am actually advocating for this,but the washer outlet adjacent to the dryer outlet is required to be TR. Which outlet to you think a butter knife or a set of keys fit better into - a 5-15 or a 14-30?
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Not that I am actually advocating for this,but the washer outlet adjacent to the dryer outlet is required to be TR. Which outlet to you think a butter knife or a set of keys fit better into - a 5-15 or a 14-30?
I get the reason why they're not currently TR... something should be plugged into them.

But with the day and age of EV chargers that plug in, they should be making TR versions of all 125, 250, and 125/250 volt receptacles (such as but not limited to: 6-15, 6-20, 6-30, 6-50, 14-30, 14-50 and 14-60 receptacles. These are commonly installed in homes... except may be the 14-60... only used that one twice.)

Maybe make a TR line of them and keep the non TR for places we don't need them to be TR (like commercial, industrial, etc.)

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We got a Maytag washer and dryer in 1988. Still runs like champs. Nowadays the Maytags they sell might last three years if you are lucky as hell. Might.
My Maytags are from 1979, raised 3 kids on them, still work just fine.
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My Maytags are from 1979, raised 3 kids on them, still work just fine.
The GE washer and dryer we bought in 2010 was dead two years ago ad that is with just two people.

My Gran's old Maytag is still going strong! Seems it has more steel in it than most new cars.
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Could somebody refer me to an article or two about the ineffectiveness of AFCI's? I know a lot of guys on here don't like them I just don't know enough to feel strongly either way.

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EC&M magazine had several good articles on AFCI circuit breakers. Most problems have been worked out. Problems occur when electrical equipment, LEDs, appliances, digital power supplies,.. etc.. are not built to NEMA and FCC specifications. Also avoid multi wire circuits.
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EC&M magazine had several good articles on AFCI circuit breakers. Most problems have been worked out. Problems occur when electrical equipment, LEDs, appliances, digital power supplies,.. etc.. are not built to NEMA and FCC specifications. Also avoid multi wire circuits.
Who paid you to say that? Probably the same company that produced that article which was nothing more than paid propaganda from the manufacturers.
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Washer has to be AF and GF. 240 and 3 phase not required. Refrigerator and DW also require AF and GF protection which can be accomplished with a dual function breaker.
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