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Old 03-17-2020, 11:54 PM   #61
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Yeah, pretty much the same thing. I guess I buy them because they are more available.

But how am I supposed to secure it to joist through a 4 inch hole in a finished ceiling? Its not like holes are all next to the joist, and you cant even get screw gun inside. I read the manual, one brand just says slide inside the ceiling, the other says do according to code.
On a job site where inspector asked me to do this the only way to do it is to slide 2x4 inside, screw that to ceiling and then screw the box. Its still pretty difficult because it's like 3 ceilings on top of each other (in one room its 4 ceilings). And this ceiling will be repaired anyway, what about finished ceilings? What about condos with metal studs? This makes absolutely zero sense.....
The inspector said if you cant secure the box, that means you cant use/install that light, and he doesnt care how I secure it and long at its done
Late to the game on this reply, and not sure if MTW has said it.... But that's why a permit is stupid sometimes. Just saying.....
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Old 03-18-2020, 06:46 AM   #62
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Priced out a job for a very good contractor that I've known for many years....guy said he cant pay me what I want because his electrical quote is like half the price. Got into argument how I am charging way too much for jobs and electricians dont make that much money.
These constant arguments make me what to do something else or just become an inspector or something.

Ps. Quoted him $6k labor for full rewire of 3 bedrooms, hallway, 3 bathrooms, 14 recessed lights, 6 smokes, and some other minor stuff moving switches, demolition etc. Half of the job needs snaking too ..old work with walls and ceilings that have 3 or 4 layers
This is the huge problem that all contractors see, and it's also a fork in the road for you.

This is where you decide which direction your life will go.

Do you go left? Going left is accepting what this guy told you, that electrician don't make that much. You will continue to work for less for this guy and other customers and your business will ultimately die, but not before ruining you and hurting your family.

Or do you go right? Going to the right means that you ignore this one idiot. You tell him that you left some stuff out and you amend your estimate to add an extra $4,000 (which you should have priced in the first place). When he balks, you chuckle and leave. You go find other customers and work for them. It might be some hard work to find other contractors, but working is why you are here. Every time you find a customer that is like this guy, you ignore them just the same and move on to the next one. You continue to do this as your business prospers.

Which way will you go?
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@kolyan2k , Hax is right. Time to kick this GC to the curb. There is plenty of money to be made in this trade. You don't need to cut your own throat to do it.
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Small anecodate but relevant. Several months back I was asked to look at a house with K&T by a realtor. I said that it's no problem but it will take several hours and I'm charging for the time to do a full survey.

I never got the job and later found out the owner of the house was a psycho. That right there is proof positive of why you need to by upfront about rates and charging for your time because you end up weeding out the bad customers and time wasters immediately.
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I ended up making a deal with contractor. He is going to help me wire the place up and I will charge him less. Works for me.
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I ended up making a deal with contractor. He is going to help me wire the place up and I will charge him less. Works for me.
These are some things that I will let the customer do to save a few loonies:

Put on cover plates.
Garbage disposal.
Sweep up.
Wait for inspector
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I ended up making a deal with contractor. He is going to help me wire the place up and I will charge him less. Works for me.
These are some things that I will let the customer or GC do to save a few loonies:

Put on cover plates.
Garbage disposal.
Sweep up.
Wait for inspector
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These are some things that I will let the customer do to save a few loonies:

Put on cover plates.
Garbage disposal.
Sweep up.
Wait for inspector
You install garbage disposals? I've never done that, always the plumber along with installing the dishwasher.
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I ended up making a deal with contractor. He is going to help me wire the place up and I will charge him less. Works for me.
These are some things that I will let the customer or GC do to save a few loonies:

Put on cover plates.
Garbage disposal.
Sweep up.
Wait for inspector
Disposal is plumbers job here. Waiting for inspector can be a hit or miss because they want electrician to wait for them. Plates and cleanup are extremely minor things
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Priced out a job for a very good contractor that I've known for many years....guy said he cant pay me what I want because his electrical quote is like half the price. Got into argument how I am charging way too much for jobs and electricians dont make that much money.
These constant arguments make me what to do something else or just become an inspector or something.

Ps. Quoted him $6k labor for full rewire of 3 bedrooms, hallway, 3 bathrooms, 14 recessed lights, 6 smokes, and some other minor stuff moving switches, demolition etc. Half of the job needs snaking too ..old work with walls and ceilings that have 3 or 4 layers
He is right, electricians don't make that much. What are you going to make on that job, $5?

And that's assuming it's a one story house with a nice crawl and attic.
I wanted to make 6, plus now some additional work. It's a townhouse 2 floors and no attic. 2nd fl full rewire, 1st just bathroom and some additions
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I ended up making a deal with contractor. He is going to help me wire the place up and I will charge him less. Works for me.
Mark my words. This will be the last job you ever do for this contractor. He's not going to help nearly as much as you have taken money off of the bid.
Sometimes you need to walk away. Education is expensive. You will be paying for it over the course of this job.
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I wanted to make 6, plus now some additional work. It's a townhouse 2 floors and no attic. 2nd fl full rewire, 1st just bathroom and some additions
I think you are going about this all wrong. $6K was WAY too low for what you described, now you are charging even less?!?!?!

I am willing to bet that the garbage men who remove the trash from that townhouse community make more than you actual make from this job. I'm serious.

Remember that fork in the road I mentioned earlier? You made your choice.
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I ended up making a deal with contractor. He is going to help me wire the place up and I will charge him less. Works for me.
This is a really good idea. I am sure this will turn out well.
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You install garbage disposals? I've never done that, always the plumber along with installing the dishwasher.



I meant taking out the rubbish.
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I meant taking out the rubbish.
Ok ok, I'll take the silly goose award for this one.

But I wasn't alone, kolyan2k thought the same thing
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Put on cover plates.
Had a customer (a long time ago) put on his own cover plates

a while later he called me to complain that they were crooked
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