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Old 12-27-2018, 07:45 PM   #1
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Almost all electronic products get cheaper after they have been around for a while

why are gfci receptacles still $16

they should be about $3
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:02 PM   #2
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If it's any consolation they are lower quality than they used to be.
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I personally could care less what they cost, cause I won't install them . It's a GFCI breaker for all my installations. Those receptacles, you speak of, are way to unreliable, as far as I;m concerned. And besides, it's way easier to replace a breaker, when it's freezing cold outside, then one of those damn receptacle outlets. JMPO
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I personally could care less what they cost, cause I won't install them . It's a GFCI breaker for all my installations. Those receptacles, you speak of, are way to unreliable, as far as I;m concerned. And besides, it's way easier to replace a breaker, when it's freezing cold outside, then one of those damn receptacle outlets. JMPO
You would rather pay $50 for a breaker than $16 for a receptacle to accomplish the same thing? We have gfi failures occasionally but it is usually ones outside, especially ones in landscape posts. We replace very few under warranty.

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You would rather pay $50 for a breaker than $16 for a receptacle to accomplish the same thing? We have gfi failures occasionally but it is usually ones outside, especially ones in landscape posts. We replace very few under warranty.

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You just made my point. The one's that usually fail are the ones outside. Most are on the deck and installed 12" AFF. I'm not the one paying the 50 bucks, customer is. I have not replaced one breaker in the past 10 plus years since I started doing this, can you say the same about your GFCI receptacles ? And with the new "plug onto the neutral" design makes it even easier. I don't know about anyone else, but I like easy.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I like easy.

In residential, the trifecta is easy, cheap, and fast.
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In residential, the trifecta is easy, cheap, and fast.
Actually you left one very important one out, No Go Backs.
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I try to avoid putting gfi's outside if I can. We do a fair amount of work for a landscape company and that is when we end up using gfi's in the posts. Other than outside I don't see a lot of gfi failures.
The flip side of receptacles vs breakers is that it is easier for home owners to find the receptacle with the trip button popped out and reset it than go open the panel. Then you dont have to deal with the "are you going to charge me for the 2 minutes you were here" as much.

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You just made my point. The one's that usually fail are the ones outside. Most are on the deck and installed 12" AFF. I'm not the one paying the 50 bucks, customer is. I have not replaced one breaker in the past 10 plus years since I started doing this, can you say the same about your GFCI receptacles ? And with the new "plug onto the neutral" design makes it even easier. I don't know about anyone else, but I like easy.
Half the old panels I work on are packed full of excess wire. Then there are the guys obsessed with cable ties. How is a breaker easier? Besides that, Iím not going to pay the bandits at Schneider for a Stab Lok GFCI breaker.

My failure rate on GFCI receptacles is almost zero. I did replace GFCI breakers after a thunderstorm, though.
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You just made my point. The one's that usually fail are the ones outside. Most are on the deck and installed 12" AFF. I'm not the one paying the 50 bucks, customer is. I have not replaced one breaker in the past 10 plus years since I started doing this, can you say the same about your GFCI receptacles ? And with the new "plug onto the neutral" design makes it even easier. I don't know about anyone else, but I like easy.
That's not for me. Chances are there's a fluorescent in that circuit (garage). Also if it's exterior, chances are it's getting a bath and a gfci breaker will trip just the same.

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You just made my point. The one's that usually fail are the ones outside. Most are on the deck and installed 12" AFF. I'm not the one paying the 50 bucks, customer is. I have not replaced one breaker in the past 10 plus years since I started doing this, can you say the same about your GFCI receptacles ? And with the new "plug onto the neutral" design makes it even easier. I don't know about anyone else, but I like easy.
I have never had to replace a GFCI receptacle that I installed under warranty. The ones that I did have to replace after many years, I charged a service call fee and made money. Even then, itís still very few.

As for the customer paying the extra expense for the breaker, I have to disagree with that. If you can charge them that extra $35 and they are willing to pay it, it still makes more sense for you to install the receptacle instead and pocket that extra $35 each as pure profit.
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The price of GFCI's went up due to tariffs. LED's are next.
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Well all I can say is this is how I do it and I haven't replaced a breaker or got nuisance tripping either (Florescent lights). Haven't found to many panels I couldn't put a GFCI breaker in either. If I find a panel that bad, I'll show the customer and do some sort of repairs,(clean-up,) upgrade as it were. I guess there are many ways to look at this and mine has worked just fine for me. Not going to change the way I do it after all these years.
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What is it you have against profit? Hax is right. If you can sell the job with a $50 GFCI breaker in the cost, then you can sell the job for the same price with a $16 GFI receptacle in the cost. Use the money to pick up pizza and beer on the way home. Still plenty of money left to cover your time for the rare callback for a defective outlet.
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I have replaced many old gfi’s that were installed outside, but none of them were installed by me. They were there for a long time, way past any warranty givin by the installer.

There are times when you should use a breaker instead of a receptacle, but doing it every time because your worried about receptacle failure is a waste, it really doesn’t happen that often.
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In my house I put the GFCI inside near the door, and run the outside receptacle as a load off it. Keeps the electronics dry, and the outside receptacle protected.

Of course it was my own house, so the added labour cost wasn't really a huge consideration for me. I'm not sure how I would do it if I were trying to make money on a job.
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Almost all electronic products get cheaper after they have been around for a while

why are gfci receptacles still $16

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I have noticed that prices of GFCI's have drifted down many times, then new requirements kick in and price goes back up

The older ones could be mis-wired with line and load reversed (and often were)

And most recently: TR!
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In my house I put the GFCI inside near the door, and run the outside receptacle as a load off it. Keeps the electronics dry, and the outside receptacle protected.

Of course it was my own house, so the added labour cost wasn't really a huge consideration for me. I'm not sure how I would do it if I were trying to make money on a job.
Between material and extra labor, I think you'd be better off just using a GFCI breaker in both situations (your house or a customer's).
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I have noticed that prices of GFCI's have drifted down many times, then new requirements kick in and price goes back up

The older ones could be mis-wired with line and load reversed (and often were)

And most recently: TR!
The price of TR's started coming down, and then BAM, self-testing were released at the new higher price
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