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Old 07-11-2019, 10:40 AM   #21
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I assume that if you have an existing receptacle you are allowed to connect a new dryer without the ground (3 wire), but if your installing new, must you use a conductor and receptacle with a ground (4 wire)?
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:47 AM   #22
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I assume that if you have an existing receptacle you are allowed to connect a new dryer without the ground (3 wire), but if your installing new, must you use a conductor and receptacle with a ground (4 wire)?
Yes, exactly. We have a system throughout our country in which the customer purchases a cord installation package when they buy the dryer. The delivery man will install the proper cord on the machine when he places the unit. This way they could match the three prong or four prong outlet.
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Yes, exactly. We have a system throughout our country in which the customer purchases a cord installation package when they buy the dryer. The delivery man will install the proper cord on the machine when he places the unit. This way they could match the three prong or four prong outlet.
That system wouldn't work in Canada. As soon as the driver installed the cord, someone would use the unlicensed snitch line to bury him.
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That system wouldn't work in Canada. As soon as the driver installed the cord, someone would use the unlicensed snitch line to bury him.
LOL.

There are many things that do not require a permit or a license, like working on appliances.

Now if he tried to run a new circuit........BOOM! Jail time! JK
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Not sure why they call it a ground strap at both places. My recollection was that the strap that is on the neutral bonded the frame on the inside somewhere and wasn't connected to the neutral at the other end. I always disconnected it and everything worked so it does not need to be connected. Perhaps it is fine to leave it- IDK without seeing it and testing it

There was always another wire (neutral) that was internally connected to the neutral screw. It is hard to know without seeing the unit.
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Not sure why they call it a ground strap at both places. My recollection was that the strap that is on the neutral bonded the frame on the inside somewhere and wasn't connected to the neutral at the other end. I always disconnected it and everything worked so it does not need to be connected. Perhaps it is fine to leave it- IDK without seeing it and testing it

There was always another wire (neutral) that was internally connected to the neutral screw. It is hard to know without seeing the unit.
Dennis, I forbid you from ever working on an electric dryer again until you figure this out. What we see in the picture makes perfect sense.
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Dennis, I forbid you from ever working on an electric dryer again until you figure this out. What we see in the picture makes perfect sense.
It makes sense to you--- I still have questions on it however it would take me a minute to figure it out at the dryer.

But don't worry I don't do much work anymore. After burning down 3 homes they prefer I stay home...
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It makes sense to you--- I still have questions on it however it would take me a minute to figure it out at the dryer.
Just think about it. Look at the 3-wire cord configuration. It has that jumper come out from behind the terminal and connect to the frame. That is bonding the neutral to the frame. Therefore, that wire is attached to the neutral behind the terminal. You follow?

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Just think about it. Look at the 3-wire cord configuration. It has that jumper come out from behind the terminal and connect to the frame. That is bonding the neutral to the frame. Therefore, that wire is attached to the neutral behind the terminal. You follow?



1.5 seconds of a YouTube video of a guy with a continuity meter would fix it all.
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Not sure why they call it a ground strap at both places.

Probably because the Chinese prison laborer that wrote the manual did the best he could using the free online version of the NEC and Google Translate.
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It makes sense to you--- I still have questions on it however it would take me a minute to figure it out at the dryer.

But don't worry I don't do much work anymore. After burning down 3 homes they prefer I stay home...

If you can't do, inspect......or rewrite code...



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Maybe this is more clear to explain what Hacks has been trying to explain all along.
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The picture is correct. That jumper, AKA "ground strap" is permanently connected to the neutral terminal on the back of the block. The free end either connects to the frame, as in the 3-wire pic, or it loops back to the neutral, as in the 4-wire pic.

With the 4-wire cord, it isn't necessary to actually connect it to the neutral since it is already connected on the other end. They show that so you won't just leave it flopping around.
[OP] For the diagram I posted, your first paragraph would be incorrect. The so- called ground strap is not permanently connected to the neutral terminial on the back of the block, either in the picture or in reality. The picture is unclear as to the origin of the green/yellow wire it calls a "ground strap" and in the actual machine, that wire emerges from inside the machine via a piece of flex tubing, along with the other main power conductors.

Having said that, your actual electrical analysis, and your point, does seem to be correct.

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[OP] For the diagram I posted, your first paragraph would be incorrect. The so- called ground strap is not permanently connected to the neutral terminial on the back of the block, either in the picture or in reality. The picture is unclear as to the origin of the green/yellow wire it calls a "ground strap" and in the actual machine, that wire emerges from inside the machine via a piece of flex tubing, along with the other main power conductors.

Having said that, your actual electrical analysis, and your point, does seem to be correct.
This is getting ridiculous.

That wire IS connected to the neutral terminal in BOTH the picture and real life.

There are things that we know, and we have to use that when viewing a diagram. We know that the wire in the image bonds neutral to ground, so if the exposed end connects to the grounded frame, the other end HAS TO connect to the neutral. The picture is correct.

As for where the wire actually terminates, it does not matter, we know that it is "connected to the neutral terminal on the back of the block", whether directly or indirectly. It makes no difference which.
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[OP] For the diagram I posted, your first paragraph would be incorrect. The so- called ground strap is not permanently connected to the neutral terminial on the back of the block, either in the picture or in reality. The picture is unclear as to the origin of the green/yellow wire it calls a "ground strap" and in the actual machine, that wire emerges from inside the machine via a piece of flex tubing, along with the other main power conductors.

Having said that, your actual electrical analysis, and your point, does seem to be correct.
This is one of those situations where you just pull out your meter, and see where the continuity is ... It's what @Dennis Alwon was saying when he said he would know within a minute when he is there.
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Do the installation instructions packed with the machine say the same thing? Do they have the blurb saying have a qualified person do this?
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I didn't want to bump this thread at the time, but since it's already been done I will post this.

I have installed 2 dryer outlets and cord on the dryer since this thread. In both situations, instead of just cutting the end off of the ground jumper or taping it up and shoving it into the back (both bad ideas, IMO), I have landed it on the neutral terminal. It works very well and I will continue to do it this way.
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I didn't want to bump this thread at the time, but since it's already been done I will post this.

I have installed 2 dryer outlets and cord on the dryer since this thread. In both situations, instead of just cutting the end off of the ground jumper or taping it up and shoving it into the back (both bad ideas, IMO), I have landed it on the neutral terminal. It works very well and I will continue to do it this way.

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