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yes 2 3.57%
no 51 91.07%
depends on the price 3 5.36%
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:36 PM   #21
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that tool might be handy if your trying to turn something to make it level
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Old 03-15-2009, 02:48 PM   #22
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I generally avoid multi tools since they rarely excel at any of their functions.
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Old 03-15-2009, 06:33 PM   #23
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A level is a precision instrument... an instrument that I'm pretty fussy about. When I shop for a new level, I go through checking at least a dozen until I find one that reads dead-nuts true to buy. Even good brands of levels always have bum levels on the hook to purchase. There's no way on this earth I'm going to buy any multipurpose tool that incorporates a level.
I agree I never buy a level without checking them out first. Always a few bad levels on the shelf.
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Just looked at the pole again and no one has voted yes for this silly looking toy. I sure would like to know how much money was spent on a patent and all the other stuff.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:46 PM   #25
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well just because we dont like it doesnt mean it wont be a good seller might make a good gift for someone or a nice thing for a handyman
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Old 03-15-2009, 11:08 PM   #26
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Marc.. how do you check a level to see if it's level? There is not enough room on most displays to draw a level line and flip the level 180 to see if the line is the same.
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Just looked at the pole again and no one has voted yes for this silly looking toy. I sure would like to know how much money was spent on a patent and all the other stuff.
heres the company that prolly started this thread.

http://www.fraitagengineering.com/

One thing inventors have to do is find a way to get the thing to market. Companies like this will make you really nice drawings, build you a prototype made of plastic, build you a website, but mostly suck dollars out of your pocket.

A simple patent on a tool like this is prolly around $6-10,000, depends on your patent attorney and if you have ever had a beer with him.

Who's the sucker that voted for depends on the price??? How much are you willing to pay for it?
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I have $14,000 in the patent, $80,000 and 5 years in the whole project.I have two school districts that want to purchase some, and a couple of stores that will sell them. I've had them at the national hardware show, and there was a lot of interest. Hopefully they will succeed. I'm having them investment casted out of 420 stainless steel and the level vials are percision fit so they should not move. They work great for running EMT, they're good for foreman, I came up with them while working in a power house. they were great for there and they are a perfect junk drawer tool in the house. I'm banking on the fact that there are hundreds of millions of consumers out there and hundreds of other countries besides the US. It doesn't seem so difficult when you look at the numbers instead of the product, but I could be wrong. There has to be something better than going to work everyday though. If nothing else its been a learning process. At least its already paid for.
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Arc Angle, fraitag engineering did my cad drawings and had plastic prototypes made for me. They don't have anything to do with the thread . By the way the d-reamer looks like a nice piece especially since you always have a drill with a screw tip in it.

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Plevels also work good for scaling prints.
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maybe if you could send out 4-5 of your tools to some members here for a test...... hmmmmm....then we'll see. ( not me )
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The tool will be a flop because one of the basic tenants of marketing is not met... the benefit is not clear. Zero people out of 28 so far said they'd use one...
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I know what you mean. I say the same things about leatherman and people told him the same things, but they sell over 100 million $ annually.
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I would suggest studying some about "ergonomics" or "biotechnology"

I know you were trying to incorporate the flat surfaces for the level, but it looks like that thing would literrally be a huge pain to use.

My hands are rounded off. Not squared...
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It is supposed to be a novelty.
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Marc.. how do you check a level to see if it's level? There is not enough room on most displays to draw a level line and flip the level 180 to see if the line is the same.
You dont need to draw any line.

Just set on a shelf, or against a wall, or similar....note the position of the bubble....flip....and see if bubble is in same location. If not....bad level...

Remember the bubble will always seek the same position no matter what.

Hope that helps....
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heres the company that prolly started this thread.

http://www.fraitagengineering.com/

One thing inventors have to do is find a way to get the thing to market. Companies like this will make you really nice drawings, build you a prototype made of plastic, build you a website, but mostly suck dollars out of your pocket.

A simple patent on a tool like this is prolly around $6-10,000, depends on your patent attorney and if you have ever had a beer with him.

Who's the sucker that voted for depends on the price??? How much are you willing to pay for it?
I'd be one of the suckers that voted: depends on the price.

I might be willing to pay $10 for it. I know damn well that it will cost more than that, so I'm pretty sure I won't be buying it.
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I know what you mean. I say the same things about leatherman and people told him the same things, but they sell over 100 million $ annually.
ill be a prototype tester once you make real ones
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Plevels also work good for scaling prints.

I always used a scale ruler for that not a pair of chanel locks.
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I know what you mean. I say the same things about leatherman and people told him the same things, but they sell over 100 million $ annually.
I knew Jack Kennedy... Remember that quote from the Bentsen-Quayle debates?

Sorry, brother, that ain't no Leatherman. I applaud your enthuiasm, but what sort of market research have you done, exactly? I don't think a soul here has thought it looked like something they'd buy yet.
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