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Old 06-18-2011, 10:36 PM   #21
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I can probably put a pig tail in the boxes with in the block wall. Im most certain the wall has enough impedence to do the job, much like a ufer.
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Old 06-18-2011, 10:42 PM   #22
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1. The cloth, ungrounded romex is not going to be aluminum. I am 99% certain of that. I think I've seen everything locally and I haven't seen that.


2. Install GFCI breakers and grounding isues are solved. You don't have a ground wire but you have ground fault protection so you can use grounded receps without issue. You are supposed to put the "no EGC" stickers on them bu no one ever does.

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Yes, its most definately solid AL. Its in every one of these retirement communities built in the 60's and 70's. Some were even fitted with the Zinsco Panels!
Show me and I'll buy lunch...or a beer, depending on the time of day.

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I can probably put a pig tail in the boxes with in the block wall. Im most certain the wall has enough impedence to do the job, much like a ufer.
Wait, what? Is it April 1st?


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A sticker wont save high end electronics!
Nor will an EGC.

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What NEC are you on? Are you on the 2008 or 2010, or are you already on the 2012?
There is no 2010 or 2012 NEC. It comes out every 3 years.
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I can probably put a pig tail in the boxes with in the block wall. Im most certain the wall has enough impedence to do the job, much like a ufer.
What the eff are you talking about?
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What the eff are you talking about?

I think the heat is getting to him.


And we are kind of on the 2008 code. No TR receps, AFCI only in BR's, No tie bars/common trip for MWBC's etc.
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1. The cloth, ungrounded romex is not going to be aluminum. I am 99% certain of that. I think I've seen everything locally and I haven't seen that.


2. Install GFCI breakers and grounding isues are solved. You don't have a ground wire but you have ground fault protection so you can use grounded receps without issue. You are supposed to put the "no EGC" stickers on them bu no one ever does.



Show me and I'll buy lunch...or a beer, depending on the time of day.



Wait, what? Is it April 1st?




Nor will an EGC.








If your familiar with Youngtown, there are several Ive seen. Ive near this area have done many, many SES upgrades and outlet repairs. I can assure you they are all AL, I have some examples in the back of my truck if your like one.
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If your familiar with Youngtown, there are several Ive seen. Ive near this area have done many, many SES upgrades and outlet repairs. I can assure you they are all AL, I have some examples in the back of my truck if your like one.
You butcher the English language effortlessly.....
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What the eff are you talking about?


SES = Service Entrance Section

Pig Tail = Box ground
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I can probably put a pig tail in the boxes with in the block wall. Im most certain the wall has enough impedence to do the job, much like a ufer.
No you need to rewire the house or walk away from the job.

Rule #1 you tell the HO how the house gets wired he is not an Electrician that is why he called you.

Rule #2 Even if the HO says he knows what he is talking about see rule #1


Rule # 3 You can not screw a wire to a concrete wall and call it a ground no matter what you have been told...
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You butcher the English language effortlessly.....


Always an Adam Henry that seems to be a better engligh teacher than an electrician.
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If your familiar with Youngtown, there are several Ive seen. Ive near this area have done many, many SES upgrades and outlet repairs. I can assure you they are all AL, I have some examples in the back of my truck if your like one.
Actually I'd love to see something new. I thought I'd seen it all. Let me know when you may be in Central Phoenix. (602 793 4998, John) I have been in Sun City a ton but not much in Youngtown (heh heh....Youngtown)

I'll still bet lunch on it though


Quality photos would work too!!

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No you need to rewire the house or walk away from the job.

Rule #1 you tell the HO how the house gets wired he is not an Electrician that is why he called you.

Rule #2 Even if the HO says he knows what he is talking about see rule #1


Rule # 3 You can not screw a wire to a concrete wall and call it a ground no matter what you have been told...

Totally agree with #1 but notice I said there were BOXES with in the block wall I could pig tail too.
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Actually I'd love to see something new. I thought I'd seen it all. Let me know when you may be in Central Phoenix. (602 793 4998, John) I have been in Sun City a ton but not much in Youngtown (heh heh....Youngtown)

I'll still bet lunch on it though


Quality photos would work too!!

Hmmmm, free lunch? Cant pass on that! I'll see what I can find. May be challenge though since most if not all have been replaced. Can always use a new contact, thanks.
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Home owner wants grounded outlets to protect electronics and to prevent potential fire
The grounded receps will do neither.

The ground wire simply attaches to any exposed metal frame that houses the electrronic components.
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Hmmmm, free lunch? Cant pass on that! I'll see what I can find. May be challenge though since most if not all have been replaced. Can always use a new contact, thanks.

Cool.

I will be a hero if I come in with a piece of ungrounded Al cloth romex
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The grounded receps will do neither.

The ground wire simply attaches to any exposed metal frame that houses the electrronic components.

Im wondering, since this is a new SES, if an in panel surge protector, coupled with a few GFI's on some branch circuits would work.

Thoughts?
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Im wondering, since this is a new SES, if an in panel surge protector, coupled with a few GFI's on some branch circuits would work.

Thoughts?

Work for what? It will still be a house in need of rewiring.
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Im wondering, since this is a new SES, if an in panel surge protector, coupled with a few GFI's on some branch circuits would work.
That's gonna be the easiest solution the guy will get that gives him grounded receptacles and some measure of appliance protection. What is an SES? "Service Entrance... Something?"

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That's gonna be the easiest solution the guy will get that gives him grounded receptacles and some measure of appliance protection. What is an SES? "Service Entrance... Something?"

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I will most likley fish ground wire(s) down the wall to sensitive equipment areas and run it back to the SES for bonding. Hopefully I can get them to wait until December so my brain wont boil after 5 min in the attic! lol
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