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Old 07-16-2019, 08:50 PM   #1
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An instructor was giving them the answers, he was fired.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:59 PM   #2
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Hang ‘em high.
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I'm surprised they don't have a proctor in the room.
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I'm surprised they don't have a proctor in the room.
They do.

They weren’t cheating at the actual exam, they had copies of the exam beforehand I heard.
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According to some on here, working without a license is fine, so why bother? Just saying...

Hopefully they used the "Snitch Line"... Oh wait that is only in Ontario...

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^Actually, a good point. A number of people including unlicensed contractors bang out shady electrical work every day. At least these kids memorized an exam and probably retained 40% of the knowledge.
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Friend of mine had his driver's license for a couple years when he gets a letter in the mail saying he needed to go to DMV. He did and they cut his license in half. Turns out his driver's ed teacher in high school wasn't legit. They made him do a driving test and a written test, then issued a new license. It was a tense hour for him not knowing if he was leaving that day able to drive or not.

What's horrible about the rogue instructor on the electrician exam is everyone in that class failed even though most (or all) did not need to cheat. Instructor hands something out and you take it. Happens everyday in every classroom.

I'd hope they're just going to retest those electricians instead of ruining them for life over something that was not only not their fault but something they had no control of.
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I don't know. Something tells me if I were to knowingly take material that looked like the exam I was about to take, I would feel responsible for anything that happens to me.
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There might be a grey area here.

I took my Master’s course through correspondence with an accredited college. Essentially it was a shoebox full of photocopies with online testing and a tutor. The exams to pass that course were similar to the actual Master’s exams.

An instructor’s job is to teach the material but it isn’t out of line for him to prepare his students for writing the exams. Writing mock exams is common. Where do you draw the line? If he was providing students with actual copies of the IP exams, that’s different, but I’m not sure how an instructor gets copies of those exams and they can change at any time anyway.
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There is a fine line(s) between teaching the exam, teaching to the exam and teaching for the exam.

All instructors should be teaching for the exam; meaning giving the students the skills / knowledge required as well as preparing them for the nuance of the exam such as "may", "should" and "shall" type usages. This is covered generally by ensuring there is sufficient self-study and all the learning outcomes are achieved.

Teaching to the exam, is different. It generally means that the instructor will review the exam and focus on content that is on the exam and not necessarily on other aspects of the curriculum; such as practice tests, or specific formulas. Cursory time is spent on skills (such as mathematics) that are transferable to other elements of the content.

Teaching the exam is outright academic misconduct. This requires the student to memorize questions and answers and generally the focus is only placed on passing the exam. The knowledge and skills required to meet the standard of the curriculum is generally ignored.

The question is did the students participate willingly or knowingly? That is the part that may suck for some of them. While it might fair to say that they did not know they were "cheating", I have known many instructors that clearly indicate something like "this would be a good thing to know" <wink wink nod nod>...

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The exam is not available to instructors or anyone to use. Even when you write you have to agree to not give out any questions and they don’t tell you which ones you got wrong or right.

The article said there was another person from the ministry who was involved. I bet they got the exam and were charging the students for the training with a 100% guarantee of passing if they took the course.
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The exam is not available to instructors or anyone to use. Even when you write you have to agree to not give out any questions and they don’t tell you which ones you got wrong or right.

The article said there was another person from the ministry who was involved. I bet they got the exam and were charging the students for the training with a 100% guarantee of passing if they took the course.
It had to be an inside job if the instructor had actual copies. I can’t imagine they made much money compared to losing their jobs.
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