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Old 06-18-2019, 09:45 PM   #1
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Hey everyone,

I'm looking to hear other peoples opinions about Alberta's current Jman to apprentice ratio currently at 1 Journeyman : 2 Apprentices

Back it 2011 AIT changed this due to the high demand for electricians in Alberta, but as it stands right now it seems like employers are taking huge advantage of this and it's not being regulated. Companies are all hiring apprentices like crazy right now, while we have tons of ticketed guys not even being looked at and out of work as well as leaving the trade completely.

IMO we need realize that the demand has dropped significantly and at least go back to a 1:1 ratio before we continue to just train and hire more apprentices before we are left with even more journeyman out of work, further dropping our wages and having more skilled men and women out of work.

Interested in hearing others thoughts, or what pros or cons they see with reverting back to a 1:1. I know, "baby boomers" is tossed around quite a bit, but honestly the majority of the trade that I can see is not retiring anytime soon.
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Ontario Is currently 1:1. I wrote a paper on this many years ago eliminating the ratio concept but I think it was "too out there" for consideration.

https://www.collegeoftrades.ca/wp-co...or-website.pdf

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The ratio is rarely enforced anyway.
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The ratio is rarely enforced anyway.


Nothing is enforced in Ontario. The college of trades was made up to do it, but was handcuffed by the government right from the start and its even worse now with Doug Ford cutting everything.


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Ontario Is currently 1:1. I wrote a paper on this many years ago eliminating the ratio concept but I think it was "too out there" for consideration.

https://www.collegeoftrades.ca/wp-co...or-website.pdf

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That is the issue though, and in your paper it actually creates a worse outcome then a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio. With you proposal one journeyman could train more than 2 apprentices.

Alberta currently has thousands of journeyman out of work and unable to secure anything. Meanwhile companies are loading up on apprentices to reduce costs and drive the bids down. IMO all this is going to do is add more unemployed journeyman to the field, creating an even bigger surplus and we will lose all value In wages.

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That is the issue though, and in your paper it actually creates a worse outcome then a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio. With you proposal one journeyman could train more than 2 apprentices.

Alberta currently has thousands of journeyman out of work and unable to secure anything. Meanwhile companies are loading up on apprentices to reduce costs and drive the bids down. IMO all this is going to do is add more unemployed journeyman to the field, creating an even bigger surplus and we will lose all value In wages.

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I agree. So your concern is the employment of Journeymen and the not the effective training of apprentices.

In that case, the ratio argument is not what you are looking for. Ratios are only designed to promote effective training of apprentices; they are not intended to secure employment for journeymen.

So what is your argument / discussion / reason that companies need to hire a journeyman over an apprentice?

The argument is the same for teachers and class sizes. Many used to argue that lower class sizes will employ more teachers, but they kept losing that argument because class size (ratio) is not related to employment but to education. So now if you look at any discussion regarding class size it almost always related to quality of education and in some cases safety; it is never about securing employment for teachers.

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Bust and boom economy. No amount of legislation is going to save us from the fact that we are in bust right now.
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