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Old 01-11-2019, 11:20 PM   #1
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Inquiring about if anyone has purchased the new OESC in either pdf or electronic format? Was going to get PDF, but wondering if this allows cut and paste option? I teach part time at college and want to endure all my notes are up to speed. With previous formats I was able to, but I know they’re clamping down on some of these options. Thx in advance!!
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Can those offering it for sale answer that question? I'd think that'd be the most reliable source.
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Inquiring about if anyone has purchased the new OESC in either pdf or electronic format? Was going to get PDF, but wondering if this allows cut and paste option? I teach part time at college and want to endure all my notes are up to speed. With previous formats I was able to, but I know they‚Äre clamping down on some of these options. Thx in advance!!
I might be buying one for the company this week... PDF usually you can copy and paste the content. That's the way the old one was for me anyway.

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I might be buying one for the company this week... PDF usually you can copy and paste the content. That's the way the old one was for me anyway.
You can put all kinds of restrictions on a PDF - no printing, no cut and paste, etc. etc. I am surprised code books weren't locked up more.

Then again there's not much they can do when it's so easy to scan in a print copy...
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You can put all kinds of restrictions on a PDF - no printing, no cut and paste, etc. etc. I am surprised code books weren't locked up more.

Then again there's not much they can do when it's so easy to scan in a print copy...
Especially since you can get a loose leaf version.
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You can put all kinds of restrictions on a PDF - no printing, no cut and paste, etc. etc. I am surprised code books weren't locked up more.

Then again there's not much they can do when it's so easy to scan in a print copy...

And I know a guy, who has a friend, that can remove those PDF protections...
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Can those offering it for sale answer that question? I'd think that'd be the most reliable source.
Here is the reply from CSA.
" The Ontario Electrical Safety Code (OESC) is copyrighted by the Electrical Safety Authority with a license from CSA.
You would need to request permission from both the ESA and CSA to reproduce any material (clauses, tables, etc.) from the OESC.
Neither organization provides blanket permission for use of this document. You would need to provide a list of the specific items that you would like to reproduce.
If you are looking for the Ontario amendments they are available as a view only document on the ESA website.".
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Here is the reply from CSA.
" The Ontario Electrical Safety Code (OESC) is copyrighted by the Electrical Safety Authority with a license from CSA.
You would need to request permission from both the ESA and CSA to reproduce any material (clauses, tables, etc.) from the OESC.
Neither organization provides blanket permission for use of this document. You would need to provide a list of the specific items that you would like to reproduce.
If you are looking for the Ontario amendments they are available as a view only document on the ESA website.".
Just do what we do, call the AHJ and have them send it to you. The inspectors would rather you have it and perform compliant work, then give you a deficiency. At least that's the relationship we have fostered with all the inspectors that we have dealt from one end of the province to the other.

And if I recall, the PDF version includes access to the bulletins this time around.
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And I know a guy, who has a friend, that can remove those PDF protections...
Those protections only work if the PDF program cooperates...
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Paper copy is now available.
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Interesting to see that the hard copy isn’t coil/spiral bound. Did they switch to thinner paper to reduce the overall thickness of the book?

Wonder how that’ll hold up in use...
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Interesting to see that the hard copy isnít coil/spiral bound. Did they switch to thinner paper to reduce the overall thickness of the book?

Wonder how thatíll hold up in use...
We will see how it lasts but I can tell you the CEC spiral bound version of the 2018 is terrible. I have a class of 18 students right now that just started beginning of January. Each student has one (2018 CEC) and a few of them are falling apart already. The book is just too big now to work in a spiral bind IMO.
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We will see how it lasts but I can tell you the CEC spiral bound version of the 2018 is terrible. I have a class of 18 students right now that just started beginning of January. Each student has one (2018 CEC) and a few of them are falling apart already. The book is just too big now to work in a spiral bind IMO.
That is an interesting observation. I would think the spiral bound would be better, not worse then a spine backed book.

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That is an interesting observation. I would think the spiral bound would be better, not worse then a spine backed book.

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Yes and they used to be better. I have some old ones that have taken serious abuse floating around in a service truck for years etc.

But the new 2018 is a much bigger book (over 900 pages) and the spiral binding seems weaker than past books. Again we will have to wait and see how this new OESC holds up
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Yes. Ideally, you could print the entire book out if you had the paper and ink. but I know that you can highlight, copy and paste the PDF.
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In school I have to say spiral bound is better. it's much easier to flip through sections which is really important when writing an exam or text. In the field however, I think a non spiral bound would last longer and take up less room.
Now who can tell me where to get a pdf version of the new oesc because Im sick of paying for things?
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In school I have to say spiral bound is better. it's much easier to flip through sections which is really important when writing an exam or text. In the field however, I think a non spiral bound would last longer and take up less room.
Now who can tell me where to get a pdf version of the new oesc because Im sick of paying for things?
I agree about the spiral being better but the new 2018 is too big for spiral. Or they need to use a better quality one.

As for the PDF, according to @Borgi, apparently all true Canadians know exactly where to find one for the CEC. Maybe he knows where to find an OESC too?
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I agree about the spiral being better but the new 2018 is too big for spiral. Or they need to use a better quality one. ...
I couldn't agree more. I was at college this past September and we were using the 2018 CEC. I'm not a guy who is hard on books, but my code book took a beating, while all the rest of my textbooks still looked brand new when I was finished with them. It's just too thick, and too heavy for the weak binding they're using. I actually wrote to CSA Group to complain about it - but doubt they even read that sort of feedback.

My concern with the new hard copy OSEC (and I won't know till I get my hands on one), is how well this form of binding will perform when you're trying to get a still relatively thick book to open and sit flat. That's murder on a glued type of spine.
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I couldn't agree more. I was at college this past September and we were using the 2018 CEC. I'm not a guy who is hard on books, but my code book took a beating, while all the rest of my textbooks still looked brand new when I was finished with them. It's just too thick, and too heavy for the weak binding they're using. I actually wrote to CSA Group to complain about it - but doubt they even read that sort of feedback.

My concern with the new hard copy OSEC (and I won't know till I get my hands on one), is how well this form of binding will perform when you're trying to get a still relatively thick book to open and sit flat. That's murder on a glued type of spine.
And the college around here sells them for more than $300!!! You can order one direct from CSA but it takes time with delivery. many donít have it before school starts so you end up having to get it from the college book store on your first day.
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