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Old 01-24-2018, 06:58 AM   #1
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Here is a link to a call back on some federal pioneer breakers

https://www.esasafe.com/assets/files...Dec19.2017.pdf



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Electrical Safety Authority has revised and re-issued a Safety Flash that was originally published in 1997 - their concern is that potential problems might still exist for Federal Pioneer breakers that may not trip!
Schneider Canada has announced a voluntary Replacement Program on certain NC015 and NC015CP Breakers. The affected circuit breakers are Federal Pioneer NC015 and NC015CP, Single Pole Rated 15A, Stab-Lok Circuit Breakers - Manufactured between August 1, 1996 and June 11, 1997. These circuit breakers can be identified by a Square / rectangular shaped BLUE colored handle
Replacement breakers are identified by a hole drilled in the handle (Blue color)
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Replacement breakers manufactured after January 1, 1999 are identified with a rounded and ribbed handle (Blue color)
Check for a square / rectangular handle with a hole, as illustrated or a rounded / ribbed handle these are OK and not impacted by the recall notice.
Breakers with black handles are also OK to use and not impacted by the recall notice.
Contractors/Electricians: For any suspect blue-handled circuit breaker replace the breaker and return it to Schneider Electric for full credit, or contact Schneider Electric Customer Care Centre at 1-800-565-6699 or the Schneider Electric Recovery Administration team, at 1-866-333-1490 for additional information. Customers should call their contractor or call Schneider.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:09 AM   #2
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I forget what the last recall was, but i know they were not paying for a service call ~CS~
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I forget what the last recall was, but i know they were not paying for a service call ~CS~
Did you contact Federal Pioneer about their little GEC hole? What did they say?
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Poor @electricguy he posted this days ago and nobody replied to it
http://www.electriciantalk.com/f31/f...recall-242834/
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Poor @electricguy he posted this days ago and nobody replied to it
http://www.electriciantalk.com/f31/f...recall-242834/
I saw FPE and didn't pay attention.
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Federal Pioneer Has Problems

Pretty wild title Dennis.

i think the only recall in like a 1000 years in Canada.

Your American similar name screwed things up so bad by cheating that Canada decided to scrap the brand.

With that said I have one of those bad ones in my Panel. Better get 99 over here to replace it.
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Any relation to Federal Pacific?
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Federal Pioneer Has Problems

Pretty wild title Dennis.

i think the only recall in like a 1000 years in Canada.

Your American similar name screwed things up so bad by cheating that Canada decided to scrap the brand.

With that said I have one of those bad ones in my Panel. Better get 99 over here to replace it.

It was not meant to be a knock on Canadian product just giving info....I didn't think the title would give that response.

Yes FPE is a different story altogether as they lost their listing and went under. Many products have problems from time to time.
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Federal Pioneer panels are the worst because you have to flip the breaker away from the center of the panel to turn them on. Every other panel I know of is the opposite. So often I look at a FP panel and think a circuit is off then got back and test it before I work on it and it's live. I sigh and curse their backwards breakers.
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Yes, they had a recall in 1997 - when FPE was an actual product.
ESA occasionally gets calls and when requested and updated document with an active 1-800 # is published. It is nothing to be overly concerned with as Schneider Electric we replace any suspect breaker at no charge in exchange for the original one (so we can destroy it).

20yrs on that is pretty good customer service!!
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Federal Pioneer Has Problems

Pretty wild title Dennis.

i think the only recall in like a 1000 years in Canada.

Your American similar name screwed things up so bad by cheating that Canada decided to scrap the brand.

With that said I have one of those bad ones in my Panel. Better get 99 over here to replace it.
Good idea. As soon as the Leviton panel is available, I'll come over and do a really nice job for you .
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This is hilarious. We call all Stab-loks "Never Trips".
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This is hilarious. We call all Stab-loks "Never Trips".
Yes, I can see that nick name but there is a HUGE install base in SW Ontario and when the FPE loadcenter was entering obsolesce back in 2009 there was a large push back from contractors that love the panel.

FYI.....the way the line side of the CB terminates to the main bus is still one of the best in the market. Farmers with air born particulate (dust from soy or corn) love FPE panels and breakers because they do not heat up and fail as often as the other stab designs.
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Federal Pioneer panels are the worst because you have to flip the breaker away from the center of the panel to turn them on. Every other panel I know of is the opposite. So often I look at a FP panel and think a circuit is off then got back and test it before I work on it and it's live. I sigh and curse their backwards breakers.
Yea, that is what makes it bad.....
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