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Old 05-21-2020, 10:07 PM   #1
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Im looking for a 40/80 100 amp residenetial load center panel. Does Siemens make one? I cant find their panel list anywhere on their website.
I'd rather use Siemens because I have tons of breakers I can use.
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Nevermind found it SEQ40100
Still looking for a pdf panel list though.
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Wow, I know Canada is different than the US, but I didn't think they made 100amp main breaker panels bigger than 20 spaces. At least I never paid enough attention to remember otherwise.
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Wow, I know Canada is different than the US, but I didn't think they made 100amp main breaker panels bigger than 20 spaces. At least I never paid enough attention to remember otherwise.

I just left a 32/32 100a MCB GE panel at Home Depot the other day. Not my panel of choice, but $24.03 might sway me if I already had a job sold with one. Siemens has a 30/40 100a MCB. If you need bigger (not in Canada) you can always get a 40/80 ML and stab in a 100a main with a hold down kit.
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Nevermind found it SEQ40100
Still looking for a pdf panel list though.
I had a pretty good PDF for Siemens panels but I can't find it now. Their web site is comically awful.
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We used to put in a bunch of square d 100a 30 circuit panels back in the day. Then the 200a service became the norm.
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We used to put in a bunch of square d 100a 30 circuit panels back in the day. Then the 200a service became the norm.
I use 30 space 100A Homeline panels all the time when upgrading just the panel. Many houses have a lot of circuits but very little load.


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Im looking for a 40/80 100 amp residenetial load center panel. Does Siemens make one? I cant find their panel list anywhere on their website.
I'd rather use Siemens because I have tons of breakers I can use.
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Nevermind found it SEQ40100
Still looking for a pdf panel list though.
In the first post you ask for a load centre, then in the second the model number is a Service Entrance panel; which one do you want?

If it is a load centre, you can put in anything based on the protection ahead of it.

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Wow, I know Canada is different than the US, but I didn't think they made 100amp main breaker panels bigger than 20 spaces. At least I never paid enough attention to remember otherwise.
How about a 200amp 60/120 cct Homeline?
That should cover everything
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In the first post you ask for a load centre, then in the second the model number is a Service Entrance panel; which one do you want?

If it is a load centre, you can put in anything based on the protection ahead of it.

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You're right, I always thought a load center was a panel with a main breaker!
Actually EQL is main lug only. SEQ is service entrance rated but Siemens lists them all as load centers.
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The way I always understood it, is that a loadcenter is a panelboard and back box (cabinet or Cutout box) all in one. It can be main breaker or main lug.

So by the NEC the panelboard is the "Guts". And all codes about Panelboards is only referring to what is inside the cabinet or cutout box, which is the code language for back box or tub.


Cabinets and cutout boxes have a whole different code section.
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You're right, I always thought a load center was a panel with a main breaker!
Actually EQL is main lug only. SEQ is service entrance rated but Siemens lists them all as load centers.
The term “load center” confuses me so I never use it.
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From the Eaton website...

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What is the difference between a loadcenter and panelboard?
There is no difference as far as UL and the NEC are concerned. Eaton offers "loadcenters" as we call them which are panelboards that are targeted to the residential markets and are consider a lower cost version of a panelboard for that market. Typically the loadcenter has plug in type breakers that are required compared to panelboards that allow for bolt on breakers... A panelboard is typically used in a commercial or industrial application. Panelboards have a can, interior and trim. The can is installed at rough in and the interior later. Loadcenters are limited to 240V or less and max at 400A. all these consideration come into play and unless the specs have specific requirements that define the panelboard further, A loadcenter or panelboard as we define it can be offer if it meets the application and spec.
http://trcsupport.eaton.com/Resident...panelboard.htm

So in the original post my question was more about an MLO vs a Main Breaker (Service Entrance) not load centre vs panelboard; in the CEC the only definition is Panelboard and Service Box, no definition for load centre or just panel (MLO, SE, etc)

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Anytime I needed a panel without a main breaker, I got one with a main breaker anyway. The ones without a main seem to be more expensive than the ones with.
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http://trcsupport.eaton.com/Resident...panelboard.htm

So in the original post my question was more about an MLO vs a Main Breaker (Service Entrance) not load centre vs panelboard; in the CEC the only definition is Panelboard and Service Box, no definition for load centre or just panel (MLO, SE, etc)

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If you need a main lug panel, why not buy a 200a? They will be a stock item vs a special order item.
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The only time I buy an MLO panel is when I need to access the tub from both ends or from the same end the feed is in. This is mostly apartment / condo panel changes where you don't need the separate disconnect (service disconnect) in the panel.

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Wow, I know Canada is different than the US, but I didn't think they made 100amp main breaker panels bigger than 20 spaces. At least I never paid enough attention to remember otherwise.

I've installed a CQO160M100PC 100A 60 space, main breaker panel.
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http://trcsupport.eaton.com/Resident...panelboard.htm

So in the original post my question was more about an MLO vs a Main Breaker (Service Entrance) not load centre vs panelboard; in the CEC the only definition is Panelboard and Service Box, no definition for load centre or just panel (MLO, SE, etc)

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Hi John. In Residentail dweling unit in Ontario, can we use Eaton (CMP130RETAF OR CMPRETVA)100 amps service entrance load centre as sub panel (Bonding screw to neutral removed) and apply label Main Disconnect at sub panel main breaker which comes with package as per Eaton instruction - see attached pic , when we have 200amp Eaton (CMP240RETAF) as Service Entrance Panel. As all 3 panels mentioned above are labeled as Service Entrance load centre.


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Most of the pony panels I have installed were service rated and came with a main breaker. Like I said earlier, they are usually less expensive than a panel without a main.
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