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Old 06-16-2019, 11:01 PM   #21
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:30 AM   #22
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In Ontario now, the Spa Kit must be installed outside and no longer allowed to be installed inside the house. It does not require it to be in sight as it is lockable.
I had this conversation with an inspector a few months prior to the code coming into effect.
This means that an AC disconnect can not be used outside as the disconnecting means.

If the GFCI can be installed into the breaker panel (manufacturer are same and compatible, Siemens/Siemens or squareD/squareD, CH/CH*) and outside in the Spa Kit you can install a regular 2 pole breaker as the code require GFCI for hot tub is in house panel. This is also important if the spa kit is installed closer than 10ft. I’ve had majority of inspectors that won’t allow any electrical within 5ft (existing outdoor light or receptacle - we blank plate it and leave what was removed with owner) and if within 10ft they want it gfci protected back at the house panel or gfci inside the house prior to powering the light or receptacle.
You can also buy a smaller 4/8 panel to install by house panel if breaker type does not fit house panel. This would be in additional to the spa kit panel outside.

*CH you can make your own Spa Kit without it being the specialty CH breaker type you buy. Their 4/8 indoor/outdoor panel is similar to the Spa Kit me install the BR type breaker
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:37 AM   #23
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It’s actually an amendment in the 2018 Ontario code.

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I know, I know. It sucks that this year they don't have a print & PDF copy package (at least the last time I checked). My older brother and I are stuck on which to buy, considering they're both almost the same price.


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OESC has always had a PDF version available, they only introduced the app version last code cycle (and I regretted buying it). Bought the PDF version this code cycle as way easier to print a page or send a page to an owner when they don't want something done to code, sorry I only do work to code and this is the code.
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In Ontario now, the Spa Kit must be installed outside and no longer allowed to be installed inside the house. It does not require it to be in sight as it is lockable.
I had this conversation with an inspector a few months prior to the code coming into effect.
This means that an AC disconnect can not be used outside as the disconnecting means.

If the GFCI can be installed into the breaker panel (manufacturer are same and compatible, Siemens/Siemens or squareD/squareD, CH/CH*) and outside in the Spa Kit you can install a regular 2 pole breaker as the code require GFCI for hot tub is in house panel. This is also important if the spa kit is installed closer than 10ft. I’ve had majority of inspectors that won’t allow any electrical within 5ft (existing outdoor light or receptacle - we blank plate it and leave what was removed with owner) and if within 10ft they want it gfci protected back at the house panel or gfci inside the house prior to powering the light or receptacle.
You can also buy a smaller 4/8 panel to install by house panel if breaker type does not fit house panel. This would be in additional to the spa kit panel outside.

*CH you can make your own Spa Kit without it being the specialty CH breaker type you buy. Their 4/8 indoor/outdoor panel is similar to the Spa Kit me install the BR type breaker
I looked into this more.

We must put the GFI outside now. Not just a GFI protected disconnect, the actual GFI device must be outside. This is from appendix B.


Δ Add Appendix B Note to Rule 68-072 as follows:
Rule 68-072

As per Rule 68-068, a disconnecting means that incorporates GFCI protection is required to be located not less than 3 m from the inside wall of the pool, spa, or hot tub.
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Are you referring to 12-3032?

That code prohibits using a disconnect or panel as a junction box for feeding through to other apparatus. That code does not apply to when your making a joint on a neutral for the feed to a piece of equipment, it’s done all the time.

Is there another code your referring to?
I have done it a hundred, maybe a thousand times too... but sometimes someone comes along and asks the simple question and it catches you off guard. If the question was about a 200 amp 3 phase 4 wire disco I would say we pass neutrals through them all the time, but this little spa pack caught me off guard...

I think it is all good when that happens...

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The spa/ hot tub wiring situation has 2 choices: 1 install gfci at main panel or panel that it is fed from and have a lockable disconnect switch outside and within sight of tub or 2 install regular breaker at panel and then install a spa/hot tub gfci pack at close by and within sight of tub... I chose #2 because if home owner is not around and have issues with the tub the gfci breaker and locking out is outside of home... safer for home owner
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It makes sense, I also like Siemens Spa Kit easy to install. I prefer installing within site of spa area, but it should be fully protected for vandal purpose.

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