New Red Seal license test for Ontario - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

eddy current · 06-26-2018, 06:57 PM

Apparently someone was caught cheating and they think a copy is out there so all tests have been cancelled until July as they make a new test.

**The_Modifier** · 06-26-2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eddy current

Apparently someone was caught cheating and they think a copy is out there so all tests have been cancelled until July as they make a new test.

Damn it, I guess selling the "answer sheets" I made up will be useless to sell now.

Azachi · 06-27-2018, 03:01 PM

that's crazy, i never thought stuff like that would happen as i've heard before they have a back up test in a vault somewhere in case a test becomes invalid for this specific reason

NDC · 06-27-2018, 08:53 PM

When I wrote my exam some kid was bragging about how he paid $800 for the 4 different copies of the exam. He ended up passing. Said he studied those 4 exams to death.
Had he put the same effort into studying he probably would have passed anyway.

I wonder if the cheater has to pay for all the costs involved. Probably not.
Any word on how they were caught?

Martine · 06-30-2018, 09:37 AM

Quick question Eddy!

I thought red seal was for all of Canada? AKA testing on the Canadian code and not provincial. Why would the new test be only in Ontario?

eddy current · 06-30-2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Martine

Quick question Eddy!

I thought red seal was for all of Canada? AKA testing on the Canadian code and not provincial. Why would the new test be only in Ontario?

Good question. Yes it is on the Canadian code. I�ve always wondered if the test is exactly the same in each province. I don�t think it is.

99cents · 06-30-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eddy current

Good question. Yes it is on the Canadian code. I�ve always wondered if the test is exactly the same in each province. I don�t think it is.

It is a good question. One would think that testing to an interprovincial standard would be standard.

Martine · 06-30-2018, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eddy current

Good question. Yes it is on the Canadian code. I�ve always wondered if the test is exactly the same in each province. I don�t think it is.

They might have different variations of the same test, but in that case I don't know why they wouldn't have just taken a test from a different province instead of creating a brand new one. SO MYSTERIOUS

eddy current · 06-30-2018, 10:39 AM

In Ontario there is more than one test. I have had students who wrote many times who get a different test every time. Some say there are three tests, some say as many as 6

99cents · 06-30-2018, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Martine

They might have different variations of the same test, but in that case I don't know why they wouldn't have just taken a test from a different province instead of creating a brand new one. SO MYSTERIOUS

Do you have Red Seal in Quebec, Martine? This has always confused me.

Martine · 06-30-2018, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 99cents

Do you have Red Seal in Quebec, Martine? This has always confused me.

Yes we do! I'll be starting it as soon as I'm done school in February. I'm out for the summer until early August, and fishing season is upon us

We have a bunch of different grants available too, we have one run by the CCQ (construction commission of Quebec) that matches the red seal grant for apprentices too, so we get double.

I just finished this last week, finished my heating exam!

99cents · 06-30-2018, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Martine

Yes we do! I'll be starting it as soon as I'm done school in February. I'm out for the summer until early August, and fishing season is upon us

We have a bunch of different grants available too, we have one run by the CCQ (construction commission of Quebec) that matches the red seal grant for apprentices too, so we get double.

I just finished this last week, finished my heating exam!

Cool.

eddy current · 06-30-2018, 01:22 PM

The cheating part I heard about from a student who was scheduled to write but the test was postponed. I called the ministry last week to ask about it. They told me all they knew was the test was being changed due to inconsistencies and will be ready first week of July. They also confirmed that it will still be on the 2015 CEC.

Martine · 06-30-2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eddy current

The cheating part I heard about from a student who was scheduled to write but the test was postponed. I called the ministry last week to ask about it. They told me all they knew was the test was being changed due to inconsistencies and will be ready first week of July. They also confirmed that it will still be on the 2015 CEC.

that makes sense, considering the new Quebec code is the modified version of the 2015, we haven't even adopted the 2018 CEC yet

eddy current · 06-30-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Martine

that makes sense, considering the new Quebec code is the modified version of the 2015, we haven't even adopted the 2018 CEC yet

Quebec is always one code behind for some reason. They are just now adopting the 2015 where the rest of Canada is going to the 2018 soon.

Ontario and many other provinces will be on the 2018 code by Christmas or Jan 2019 latest and same goes for the red seal license exam here in Ontario.

Martine · 07-01-2018, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eddy current

Quebec is always one code behind for some reason. They are just now adopting the 2015 where the rest of Canada is going to the 2018 soon.

Ontario and many other provinces will be on the 2018 code by Christmas or Jan 2019 latest and same goes for the red seal license exam here in Ontario.

It *might* be because we have the code in french also, and I'm sure translating it takes a lot of work. I don't know if Ontario and the other provinces have it available in both languages.

glen1971 · 07-02-2018, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Martine

Quick question Eddy!

I thought red seal was for all of Canada? AKA testing on the Canadian code and not provincial. Why would the new test be only in Ontario?

In Alberta, there are 2 tests.. One for your fourth year, and one for the IP.. When we worked in Ontario in the late 90's, those without an IP had to write the Ontario test. Don't quote me on the percentages, but if they got over 65 they got the Ontario journeyman certificate and if you get over 70 they got the IP.. The guys taking the test were sweating bullets, as the test had everything on it!
Not sure if things have changed since then..

eddy current · 07-02-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by glen1971

In Alberta, there are 2 tests.. One for your fourth year, and one for the IP.. When we worked in Ontario in the late 90's, those without an IP had to write the Ontario test. Don't quote me on the percentages, but if they got over 65 they got the Ontario journeyman certificate and if you get over 70 they got the IP.. The guys taking the test were sweating bullets, as the test had everything on it!
Not sure if things have changed since then..

I have worked with many older guys who have that old license. No more provincial in Ontario. It�s red seal only with a 70% pass now

eddy current · 07-02-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Martine

It *might* be because we have the code in french also, and I'm sure translating it takes a lot of work. I don't know if Ontario and the other provinces have it available in both languages.

Yes it is in both French and English in Ontario

glen1971 · 07-02-2018, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by eddy current

I have worked with many older guys who have that old license. No more provincial in Ontario. It�s red seal only with a 70% pass now

But only one test?

06-26-2018, 06:57 PM	#1
eddy current Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 5,129 Rewards Points: 7,520	New Red Seal license test for Ontario Apparently someone was caught cheating and they think a copy is out there so all tests have been cancelled until July as they make a new test. Kevin_Essiambre and Martine like this.

06-27-2018, 03:01 PM	#3
Azachi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Oromocto, NB Posts: 106 Rewards Points: 196	that's crazy, i never thought stuff like that would happen as i've heard before they have a back up test in a vault somewhere in case a test becomes invalid for this specific reason Kevin_Essiambre likes this.

06-27-2018, 08:53 PM	#4
NDC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,332 Rewards Points: 2,144	When I wrote my exam some kid was bragging about how he paid $800 for the 4 different copies of the exam. He ended up passing. Said he studied those 4 exams to death. Had he put the same effort into studying he probably would have passed anyway. I wonder if the cheater has to pay for all the costs involved. Probably not. Any word on how they were caught? Last edited by NDC; 06-27-2018 at 10:31 PM.

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06-30-2018, 09:37 AM	#5
Martine Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 270 Rewards Points: 538	Quick question Eddy! I thought red seal was for all of Canada? AKA testing on the Canadian code and not provincial. Why would the new test be only in Ontario?

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eddy current Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 5,129 Rewards Points: 7,520	In Ontario there is more than one test. I have had students who wrote many times who get a different test every time. Some say there are three tests, some say as many as 6

06-30-2018, 01:22 PM	#13
eddy current Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 5,129 Rewards Points: 7,520	The cheating part I heard about from a student who was scheduled to write but the test was postponed. I called the ministry last week to ask about it. They told me all they knew was the test was being changed due to inconsistencies and will be ready first week of July. They also confirmed that it will still be on the 2015 CEC.