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Old 04-13-2016, 11:55 PM   #1
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If I build a small niche between wall studs with a permanent 8 inch square opening (i.e. there will be no door) and I install a receptacle within this niche, would this violate Rules 26-710(h).

The purpose of this is to mount a small speaker that needs to be powered, the speaker will fill the opening. The niche cavity will be larger than the opening and the receptacle will be located out of sight within the cavity. I have all walls and ceiling removed for other remodeling reasons but thought this would be a nice touch as apposed to mounting the speaker and a receptacle on the wall.
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Old 04-14-2016, 06:08 AM   #2
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Hi,

New to the site and first post.

If I build a small niche between wall studs with a permanent 8 inch square opening (i.e. there will be no door) and I install a receptacle within this niche, would this violate Rules 26-710(h).

The purpose of this is to mount a small speaker that needs to be powered, the speaker will fill the opening. The niche cavity will be larger than the opening and the receptacle will be located out of sight within the cavity. I have all walls and ceiling removed for other remodeling reasons but thought this would be a nice touch as apposed to mounting the speaker and a receptacle on the wall.
That rule is for kitchen cabinets, so you can't leave appliances plugged in, when they are put away.
What you want to do is no different than a plug behind a wall mounted tv.
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It's a gray area, I personally wouldn't sweat it, it doesn't sound like there will be any inspector, although you never know what a future home inspector might give you about.

An alternative to consider that would get you out of the gray area, if the speaker has an external power supply, a brick or wall wart on the cord. Put the brick back at the receiver, and run the low voltage power to the niche.
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That rule is for kitchen cabinets, so you can't leave appliances plugged in, when they are put away.
There isn't anything that says this rule is only for kitchens. But the intent I believe is to not have appliances powered inside a cabinet where heat can build up. Usually that's a situation only seen in kitchens, but the rule isn't limited to kitchens.

I would argue though that the niche is not a cupboard or cabinet. It is open to the room. Just don't put a door on it.

If you are getting it inspected I would call the inspector and ask. If you're not getting it inspected I would go ahead and do it and not worry one bit about it.
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On second thought, if the speaker uses a wall-wart power supply, then you could have a heat build up problem. If that was the case I would just space the speaker out a 1/2" from the wall to allow some airflow and check it for a while to see how it does.
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There isn't anything that says this rule is only for kitchens. But the intent I believe is to not have appliances powered inside a cabinet where heat can build up. Usually that's a situation only seen in kitchens, but the rule isn't limited to kitchens.

I would argue though that the niche is not a cupboard or cabinet. It is open to the room. Just don't put a door on it.

If you are getting it inspected I would call the inspector and ask. If you're not getting it inspected I would go ahead and do it and not worry one bit about it.

We have installed many receptacles in cabinets for audio/video equipment. Maybe we've been lucky but never have those outlets been questioned by the inspectors.
I would guess that it's up to the inspector's interpretation
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I don't see any issues. The only time I would see an issue is with an enclosed cabinet. I would rough it in and ask the inspector about it during rough-in inspection.
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If the speaker screws to the wall, it pretty much amounts to sealing a receptacle and power supply inside the wall.
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It's a gray area, I personally wouldn't sweat it, it doesn't sound like there will be any inspector, although you never know what a future home inspector might give you about.

An alternative to consider that would get you out of the gray area, if the speaker has an external power supply, a brick or wall wart on the cord. Put the brick back at the receiver, and run the low voltage power to the niche.
No external power supply, 120V supply is integral. I did give consideration to the uniqueness of this as it could be a concern for future home buyers. Both ends of the run that supplies power are easily accessible -- worse case, abandon wire in wall. best case, pull wire straight out from attic then patch opening.

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If the speaker screws to the wall, it pretty much amounts to sealing a receptacle and power supply inside the wall.
Speaker just sits in opening as if it were on a shelve, just recessed in wall.

Here is where I got the idea from. I have the same speaker shown in pic. A little difficult to see the receptacle but it's located directly above where the speaker sits. This item has not come to market yet but I expect the price will be ridiculously high.

Thank you all for your input.


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