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Old 02-05-2019, 09:33 PM   #1
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Default Residential property turning into office - Signage question

I have a client converting a home into a massage clinic. They are having a 2'x8' illuminated sign installed on the wall of the house over their front entrance.
There is currently a wall mounted outdoor light on an switch that is going to be covered by the sign and I plan to reuse the outlet to power the sign.


I'm thinking of removing the switch which controls the light and wiring for constant power at the outlet box. Holesaw the back of the sign to gain access to the outlet box and installing an octagon extension. Extend this to a switch within the sign if a service switch doesn't already exist, and adding in a photocell.
Section 34 makes it pretty clear that i cant use the existing inside switch as a means of disconnect unless its lockable.
Does this sound like a good plan or should I just wire this up to a new home run circuit?
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:14 PM   #2
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With led’s now in signs they draw very little power, dedicated is not needed like it used to be. I would check what else is on that old circuit first though, it very well could be almost maxed already.
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When we do signs we either have a maintenance switch inside the sign or use a time clock that is lockable inside the building. The timeclock is not a "disconnect" either but it seems to be generally what is there by the time we get there.

The maintenance switch is the most common in "box signs".

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I haven't seen a time clock that's "lockable". You'll probably have to run a feed from the panel to a lockable disconnect. You could run a switch or timer off the lockable disconnect. I've worked in a few restaurants with signs as well.
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I haven't seen a time clock that's "lockable". You'll probably have to run a feed from the panel to a lockable disconnect. You could run a switch or timer off the lockable disconnect. I've worked in a few restaurants with signs as well.
? Iíve never seen one that isnít lockable.
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Sorry, I meant "I've never seen a time clock that is considered as a disconnect". My bad.
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The Disconnect required for signs does not have to be lockable. It only has to be lockable if it is out of sight like inside the building. (34-100)
Most often the breaker feeds a timeclock or photo cell, and then there is a simple, non lockable toggle switch located in the actual sign as the required disconnect.
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