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Old 02-25-2019, 07:45 AM   #1
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I just finished wiring my own house here in Fl.
The inspector brought to my attention that arch fault breakers are needed mostly every where inside the house. I checked the 2017 code and he's correct.
Circuits in the garage are exempt as are all the 240V circuits.
My laundry machines are located in the garage and there is not a formal "laundry room".
Is this branch circuit required to be arch fault protected ? Whats your opinion on this?
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Old 02-25-2019, 07:54 AM   #2
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I don't believe the code states laundry room, it says laundry area, which your space in the garage certainly is. Water supplies, drain standpipe, dryer vent duct, etc. That laundry area would require the dedicated 20A laundry circuit.
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On an arch fault! right?
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It is tough to determine where the garage stops and the laundry area begins
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On an arch fault! right?
I don't know, I don't pay attention to AFCI requirements.

I'm just saying that I believe the receptacle for this area would go by the requirements for the laundry area receptacle, even though it seems like it could be considered a normal garage receptacle.
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I just finished wiring my own house here in Fl.
The inspector brought to my attention that arch fault breakers are needed mostly every where inside the house. I checked the 2017 code and he's correct.
Circuits in the garage are exempt as are all the 240V circuits.
My laundry machines are located in the garage and there is not a formal "laundry room".
Is this branch circuit required to be arch fault protected ? Whats your opinion on this?
2017, eh ? did the inspector tell you that was the code cycle ?
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It is tough to determine where the garage stops and the laundry area begins
The one outlet you put closest to the laundry machines will be the laundry circuit and should follow the requirements for that. All the rest just do as you would for normal garage circuits.

The same as when the laundry is in the basement.
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Imo, which really doesn't matter, if the laundry is in the garage then there is no reason to have afci on it. Btw, it is arc fault not arch fault.

I think this may be an inspectors call.
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It's the "laundry area" regardless of whether its in a bathroom, basement, garage, or hall closet, thus it needs afci protection.
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Well Im pleased that Im not the only one confused about the arcH fault. In my opinion assuming that we have a device arching, its still away in the garage therefore no need for AFCI. If Its wiring we are trying to prevent from arching (????) then any wires ran into the wall between the house and garage would have to be protected by AFCI.

This is what I got from a Google search:

"The effective date is December 31, 2017. The NEC is adopted in Florida with no state amendments"

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So if a washer is outdoors you think an afci is required? Yes I have seen them outdoors. I still say it is an authority having jurisdiction call but if you think about the areas that need afci then I would think the washer in the garage is not that area. It would be foolish, IMO, to require the washer to be afci in a garage and nothing else.
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So if a washer is outdoors you think an afci is required? Yes I have seen them outdoors. I still say it is an authority having jurisdiction call but if you think about the areas that need afci then I would think the washer in the garage is not that area. It would be foolish, IMO, to require the washer to be afci in a garage and nothing else.
There's a million foolish things in the code that you have always agreed needed to be followed just because the code says it. Why rationalize now?
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Well Im pleased that Im not the only one confused about the arcH fault. In my opinion assuming that we have a device arching, its still away in the garage therefore no need for AFCI. If Its wiring we are trying to prevent from arching (????) then any wires ran into the wall between the house and garage would have to be protected by AFCI.

This is what I got from a Google search:

"The effective date is December 31, 2017. The NEC is adopted in Florida with no state amendments"
An arch is an architectural feature. An arc is an electrical phenomenon. Electrical devices don't "arch". And AFCIs don't mitigate "arch faults", which I assume would consist of a structural collapse of some kind.

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I've got the idea. That was a sarcastic answer to Dennis Thats why I wrote arcH with upper case H. So ArcH fault it is
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I never install arc fault breakers if the laundry area is in the basement.
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We had an electrical supplier in Monroe named Arch Electric. I dont exactly know why they named it such And they called it Arc not Arch as in cheese
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Any area where there is a washing machine and it's required plumbing becomes the laundry area. Also, GFCI protection is also required.
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It's the "laundry area" regardless of whether its in a bathroom, basement, garage, or hall closet, thus it needs afci protection.
I use a dual function because another code in the 17 cycle states all 120 volt outlet receptacles must be 20 amp & have gfci protection ( not just that sink rule anymore) and then the afci section sais that is needed in Laundry areas
as well.

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It was the 2014 NEC that was adopted in FL on 12/31/17.
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I have visited the arch in St Louis. Nebraska has an arch but not near as big.
Cabo has my favorite arch.
On the other side Noah built a really nice ark but it stank like crap.
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