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Old 12-01-2019, 03:25 PM   #41
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If you are providing the charger, why are you using the plug-in models? The only time I install those is when the customer already bought it that way. Most customers buy the hardwired model and when they ask me beforehand that is what I recommend as well.

Good points. I guess this is where it's all going, isn't it. The only reasons I can see for a non-hardwired approach are (1) the RV scenario and (2) the possibility of an upcoming (1-2 yrs) house sale, and the desire to take the charger along.

There was one other. Manufacturers for years have floated at times the notion of charger portability -- as in, "you can take it with you on vacation, to your second home." As far as I can see, if you can afford a second home, you can afford a second charger.
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Some of those units come with a cord so short that they cannot plug into a receptacle with an in-use cover. We have been disconnecting the cord and doing a direct wire. Not sure if that is allowed but that is what we are doing.

It is literally impossible to use the 6" of cord and plug that they supply unless it is indoor.
Code requires the cord&plug to be no more than 12". Even at the full 12" (as you mentioned) there is no way to use an outlet with an outdoor in-use cover without putting stress on the cord, plug, and outlet. I don't like it at all, and many manufacturers say that the cord&plug models are for indoor use only.

They work fine when mounting the unit indoors and orienting the outlet upsidedown underneath the charger or sideways next to the charger.

As you know, removing the cord&plug to hardwire it is against code and many chargers are not meant to be opened at all. You'd be better off just getting the hardwired model.
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Good points. I guess this is where it's all going, isn't it. The only reasons I can see for a non-hardwired approach are (1) the RV scenario and (2) the possibility of an upcoming (1-2 yrs) house sale, and the desire to take the charger along.
I agree on your first reason. As for the second, I tell them that it is still advisable to use the hardwireable model. I explain that it's simple to disconnect the hardwired unit (I will do it for a minimal service call fee if they don't feel comfortable) and that leaving the box there with the feed will allow the next owner to connect their own charger, which is a selling point. In some areas they require new houses to be "EVSE Ready" and this is how I have seen it done, a feed going to an outdoor box. So that is how I install them, I just bring the whip into that outdoor box and splice it. I mainly install Clippercreek chargers which have the whip ready to go.

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There was one other. Manufacturers for years have floated at times the notion of charger portability -- as in, "you can take it with you on vacation, to your second home." As far as I can see, if you can afford a second home, you can afford a second charger.
I had one customer with this idea. I told them that I had to solidly mount the charger to the house and it was not ruggedized or meant to be carried around like a portable unit. Once they saw the unit and how cumbersome it was, they gave up on that idea.

If they really want to do it, I will do whatever they want.
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More importantly, when was the last time any of us have pulled a permit to install an EV outlet?
Apparently, everyone in Canada, replete with load shedders and a load calc.
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Good points. I guess this is where it's all going, isn't it.
I think you've been spending too much time eating those delicious Zwigles hot dogs that you have in Rochester. My wife is distantly related to them and they would occasionally send us a care package but I guess the kids run it now.
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Some of those units come with a cord so short that they cannot plug into a receptacle with an in-use cover. We have been disconnecting the cord and doing a direct wire. Not sure if that is allowed but that is what we are doing.

It is literally impossible to use the 6" of cord and plug that they supply unless it is indoor.

That too.
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I think you've been spending too much time eating those delicious Zwigles hot dogs that you have in Rochester. My wife is distantly related to them and they would occasionally send us a care package but I guess the kids run it now.

PM me an address and we will "rectify" that.
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