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Old 07-21-2015, 09:16 AM   #61
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What do you consider expensive? My kitchen and foyer was $70,000.00. Is that high?
I dunno, this one was around $300k. Three levels including moving the entire kitchen.

When you get into residential renovations of that size, blending old with new, the last thing you need is arc fault nonsense.

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Old 07-21-2015, 11:36 AM   #62
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I believe he and his crew give their work and possibly many houses to charity. I like him.
His actual working scheme is extremely straight forward: he uses his endless contacts in the trades -- especially inspectors, (and the prosecutor's office) -- to spot horrific disasters.

He rightly understands that a total freaking disaster makes for great television.

No-one is willing to sit though a trivial DIY project.

Whereas there's a lot of drama in a family tragedy -- and boy does Mike Holmes find them.

He's also politically correct. It's OBVIOUS from many of his rescues that he's coming in behind an immigrant contractor -- licensed or not -- that hasn't a CLUE as to how a home has to be built for the Canadian client.

Our California GCs would be lost up there, too. For us, it's all about earthquakes. For Ontario, it's all about the Winters -- and the consequences of condensation.

Holmes visited Los Angeles for one project. He just choked on the 'absurd' seismic bracing that is required out here. His project went way over budget as a consequence.

[ LA Code spec'd NAILS ( Mike planned on screws ) whereas the manufactured lumber he was using was so dense that it was -- and is -- impossible to use a nail gun. All nails simply bend back, while doing a bang-up job jambing the nail gun. IIRC, he ended up pre-drilling -- very tedious -- for every single nail -- and the Code requires them in copious amounts. ]
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I dunno, this one was around $300k. Three levels including moving the entire kitchen.

When you get into residential renovations of that size, blending old with new, the last thing you need is arc fault nonsense.

Arc faults dont even like new equipment either:



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Just finished a kitchen and am starting another in a day or so. Hopefully this doesn't rear its ugly head. CH CH on the one just finished, Siemens on the next.
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Just finished a kitchen and am starting another in a day or so. Hopefully this doesn't rear its ugly head. CH CH on the one just finished, Siemens on the next.
What issues have you had with CH CH?
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Earlier BR AFCI with vacuums. First time with the ch AFCI/GFCI. Assuming softwares the same CH and BR.
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An AFCI tripping due to normal usage of every day appliances is an unacceptable situation. We should not condition ourselves to simply accept the loss of time and money and aggravation to customers.
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An AFCI tripping due to normal usage of every day appliances is an unacceptable situation. We should not condition ourselves to simply accept the loss of time and money and aggravation to customers.
Just refuse to put them in and let the inspector know why. I'm sure he'll understand.
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Just refuse to put them in and let the inspector know why. I'm sure he'll understand.

If every electrician in the country refuses I doubt inspectors could change anything. You can compel one person, but you cant compel numbers.
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An AFCI tripping due to normal usage of every day appliances is an unacceptable situation. We should not condition ourselves to simply accept the loss of time and money and aggravation to customers.
The lady simply slammed the door on the fridge & demanded it OUT, after returning to her 2nd skibunny home to find it stinking like a month old road kill

So i said sure, trucked it off, bleached & hosed it out, and am now the proud owner of a high end fridge (makes cubes for my ****tails too!)

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He rightly understands that a total freaking disaster makes for great television.

No-one is willing to sit though a trivial DIY project.

Whereas there's a lot of drama in a family tragedy -- and boy does Mike Holmes find them.
Man, did i ever miss my true calling......~CS~
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If every electrician in the country refuses I doubt inspectors could change anything. You can compel one person, but you cant compel numbers.
If every electrician in this country could only dislodge their cranium from the manufacturers large intestines and their CMP sphincter ........~CS~
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If every electrician in this country could only dislodge their cranium from the manufacturers large intestines and their CMP sphincter ........~CS~

Indoctrination based education is something.
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If every electrician in this country could only dislodge their cranium from the manufacturers large intestines and their CMP sphincter ........~CS~
Yeah, try what you suggest and you won't be in business much longer. Unless you become a cash and carry business with no permits.
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I think the only possible route would be for electricians to intensively lobby their state/local code authorities to remove the AFCI requirements during their local modifications of the NEC. If that happened in enough states, then it might be enough for the AFCI requirement to be removed in the NEC itself.
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