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Old 07-15-2019, 11:03 AM   #21
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I’d like to know what the pay is.
Very strange to me why someone would be hesitant to post the rate of pay or at least a range of pay. What are they hiding? What is it that they don't want you to know? This is very suspicious to me.

Most people that know anything about recruiting know that posting an employment ad without the pay is a recruiting 101 mistake.

Experienced recruiters know that they will not attract worthwhile candidates unless they post the salary.

Add to that the vagueness of his answer to the health care question and I would suggest not wasting time looking into this employment offer.

Honesty, integrity and transparency should be at the top of your list when considering employment with a company. This one is suspect.
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:21 AM   #22
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Very strange to me why someone would be hesitant to post the rate of pay or at least a range of pay. What are they hiding? What is it that they don't want you to know? This is very suspicious to me.

Most people that know anything about recruiting know that posting an employment ad without the pay is a recruiting 101 mistake.

Experienced recruiters know that they will not attract worthwhile candidates unless they post the salary.

Add to that the vagueness of his answer to the health care question and I would suggest not wasting time looking into this employment offer.

Honesty, integrity and transparency should be at the top of your list when considering employment with a company. This one is suspect.
Agreed. This reminds me of a scammy eBay auction with the **TOP PAY** title. If you were actually paying that much, you would be happy to post it when asked multiple times.

Top pay in New Jersey right now is $55 an hour in the paycheck as well as excellent medical insurance and retirement savings. And there’s a shortage of labor to fill those jobs. If you can’t pay that, that’s fine. But don’t say that you’re going to pay top pay and ignore people when they ask you what the pay actually is.

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Get ready to have apprentices actually take a DOL approved apprenticeship program. NJ recently passed a law that in order to take the EC exam you must have taken a 4 year apprenticeship program. Right now there is a 4 year grace period for those that qualify now, so if you know anyone that applies to make sure they test prior to that period ending.

This also applies to all people on public works projects IIRC. I can get the definite details if you'd like.
Since I can't find my edit button, here it is in none gibberish.

Get ready to have apprentices actually take a DOL approved apprenticeship program. NJ recently passed a law that in order to take the EC exam you must have taken a 4 year apprenticeship program. Right now there is a 4 year grace period for those that qualify now, so if you know anyone that applies to make sure they test prior to that period ending.

This also applies to all people on public works projects IIRC. I can get the definite details if you'd like.
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Since I can't find my edit button, here it is in none gibberish.

Get ready to have apprentices actually take a DOL approved apprenticeship program. NJ recently passed a law that in order to take the EC exam you must have taken a 4 year apprenticeship program. Right now there is a 4 year grace period for those that qualify now, so if you know anyone that applies to make sure they test prior to that period ending.

This also applies to all people on public works projects IIRC. I can get the definite details if you'd like.
What, exactly, is a 4 year apprenticeship program? Are they going to define that?
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The thing I don’t understand, because I haven’t looked into it, is it really an apprenticeship? Or is it DOL recognized classroom time.

The way it was before you could do three years in the field with an EC if you had four years of a DOL recognized school, and be eligible to take the test. You could also just do five years in the trade. I went to a full day Vo-Tech school. Math, Science etc. was geared to the individual shop class you were taking. Also had to take drafting for electrical and other shops. You had to do the basic English, gym etc. to pass a high school, and you had half day in shop hands on. I started with an EC during summer break between eleventh and twelfth grade, and worked that as my shop time half day in twelfth grade. I was eligible work and school wise, to take the test, but I wasn’t 21 yet. I wouldn’t call that an apprenticeship.

If a guy is working for an EC and going to night school Vo-Tech, I wouldn’t call that an apprenticeship either. To me an apprenticeship is more where there are consequences for poor grades, missed classes, a work report to a training director etc...and a structure between the contractors and employers. I don’t care if it’s IEC or IBEW. But it should be something other than going to school before it’s called an apprenticeship. I think it’s a good thing to require four years of school to sit for the test, but I wouldn’t call it an apprenticeship.


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Yes, it has to be a program approved by the US DOL.

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The thing I don’t understand, because I haven’t looked into it, is it really an apprenticeship? Or is it DOL recognized classroom time.

The way it was before you could do three years in the field with an EC if you had four years of a DOL recognized school, and be eligible to take the test. You could also just do five years in the trade. I went to a full day Vo-Tech school. Math, Science etc. was geared to the individual shop class you were taking. Also had to take drafting for electrical and other shops. You had to do the basic English, gym etc. to pass a high school, and you had half day in shop hands on. I started with an EC during summer break between eleventh and twelfth grade, and worked that as my shop time half day in twelfth grade. I was eligible work and school wise, to take the test, but I wasn’t 21 yet. I wouldn’t call that an apprenticeship.

If a guy is working for an EC and going to night school Vo-Tech, I wouldn’t call that an apprenticeship either. To me an apprenticeship is more where there are consequences for poor grades, missed classes, a work report to a training director etc...and a structure between the contractors and employers. I don’t care if it’s IEC or IBEW. But it should be something other than going to school before it’s called an apprenticeship. I think it’s a good thing to require four years of school to sit for the test, but I wouldn’t call it an apprenticeship.


Oh and *BUMP* to the OP.
It has to be a US DOL registered apprenticeship program. To be an apprenticeship program I believe you also have to be working in the field at the same time. I will get a hold of the IEC contact I have for the specifics, he knows what is going on much better than I do.
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