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Old 04-15-2019, 01:20 PM   #1
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Default The Top 10 Highest-Paying Cities for Electricians: 2018

This is an article in EC&M.

Thought if anyone's looking for work, and considering relocating, this information may be of benefit.

Good luck if that's you!


https://www.ecmweb.com/construction/...6a0852556ea850
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Gee interesting list there.

#1 San Fran

@2 NYC

Who'da thunk it?
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Gee interesting list there.

#1 San Fran

@2 NYC

Who'da thunk it?
Did you read it?

Its not IBEW Wages.


4. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA
Hourly mean wage: $37.98


New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ
Hourly mean wage: $38.93

1. San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA
Hourly mean wage: $44.42
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Did you read it?

Its not IBEW Wages.


4. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA
Hourly mean wage: $37.98


New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ
Hourly mean wage: $38.93

1. San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA
Hourly mean wage: $44.42
I did and that is why I said interesting. NYC rate is about $20 shy of scale and no bennies.
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I did and that is why I said interesting. NYC rate is about $20 shy of scale and no bennies.
I always wondered how the conversation goes when the non-union guys justify to each other why they make so much less. and little or no benefits.
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Gee interesting list there.
#1 San Fran

Thinking about selling a kidney to get myself out of this fricking area. Taking a pay cut for happiness seems like a good trade off.
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I always wondered how the conversation goes when the non-union guys justify to each other why they make so much less. and little or no benefits.




I wonder that just about every time one of them pushes how great non union is.


I do realize there are a couple non union companies that pay well but there are exceptions to every rule I hear.
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Our shop is just 25 minutes south of Kennewick, WA(Tri Cities) in Oregon.

I was not surprised to see this area with some of the highest wages. A lot of datacenter work for the last couple years, and they haven't stopped building them yet.

There are signs stuck in the ground at every major intersection here in town(and Tri Cities) offering 43.50/hour plus bennies to licensed electricians.

There's a real shortage in this area.
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Our shop is just 25 minutes south of Kennewick, WA(Tri Cities) in Oregon.

I was not surprised to see this area with some of the highest wages. A lot of datacenter work for the last couple years, and they haven't stopped building them yet.

There are signs stuck in the ground at every major intersection here in town(and Tri Cities) offering 43.50/hour plus bennies to licensed electricians.

There's a real shortage in this area.
If only I was 30 again!
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I can remember 3 hard recessions coming up in the trade. I missed the one in the 70s but, my dad got hit by that one.
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I always wondered how the conversation goes when the non-union guys justify to each other why they make so much less. and little or no benefits.
It doesn't really come up but if it did it would go something like this.

The union would theoretically, hypothetically compensate me at or above scale, but in reality, in the real world, where I actually live, they would pay me the following wage:

zero dollars and zero cents per forever with zero benefits

Others were willing to pay considerably better so that's the way I went.

Look at the average wages in these markets; the further the disparity between union and non-union, the smaller the union's piece of the pie must be. And a lot of these are union strongholds, the overall picture is worse.

The worst thing the union can do is blame the disparity on non-union workers. Most would accept the pay raise if offered The thing to do is figure out how to bring in more people, that is what would shrink that disparity.
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It doesn't really come up but if it did it would go something like this.

The union would theoretically, hypothetically compensate me at or above scale, but in reality, in the real world, where I actually live, they would pay me the following wage:

zero dollars and zero cents per forever with zero benefits

Others were willing to pay considerably better so that's the way I went.

Look at the average wages in these markets; the further the disparity between union and non-union, the smaller the union's piece of the pie must be. And a lot of these are union strongholds, the overall picture is worse.

The worst thing the union can do is blame the disparity on non-union workers. Most would accept the pay raise if offered The thing to do is figure out how to bring in more people, that is what would shrink that disparity.
We bid nose to nose with non-union contractors. I can tell you for a fact that our bids are close. Close enough that some we get, some they get. One thing for sure, if they win they bid, the non-union contractor pockets the difference between our pay package and his.
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I always wondered how the conversation goes when the non-union guys justify to each other why they make so much less. and little or no benefits.
This was what I was responding to.
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We bid nose to nose with non-union contractors. I can tell you for a fact that our bids are close. Close enough that some we get, some they get. One thing for sure, if they win they bid, the non-union contractor pockets the difference between our pay package and his.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. We've seen winning nonunion bidders go under.
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The typical non-union contractor is short on equipment, experience and technique.

The attempt is made to compensate by using lower wage troops -- usually meaning way too many apprentices.

So their error rate for basic gaffs would astound a NECA//IBEW contractor.

They do own the catfish end of the market, though, the jobs that have volume without serious complexity... like big box retail... bare bones retail shells... idiot simple site lighting -- that kind of stuff.
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I always wondered how the conversation goes when the non-union guys justify to each other why they make so much less. and little or no benefits.
I started non union and the switched to the union... They both have their pros and cons, but if you aren’t giving up 9% to the union and your making more hourly on the check(which here in Portland, a lot of them do), you can pay your own 401k and no one is going to take half if you don’t work till 64yrs old. People just don’t want to stand in line for a job or have a ****tier electrician get jobs over them just to get fired a week later. Or get paid the same for producing half the work and not carrying their weight.
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