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Old 05-17-2019, 12:07 PM   #1
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Are recessed cans almost obsolete? I went to Bendover Electrical Suppy this week and bought some 5” cans. The dude told me nobody uses those anymore. I told him I do. For new construction, they’re better. The drywaller cuts the holes and installing trims are easy at finishing time.

I needed a couple of more 5” cans and the box stores barely carry inventory anymore. As far as I’m concerned, they still have their place. When a trim burns out, it’s easy to replace. When a Lotus style light burns out, there’s always the chance of ceiling damage when installing a new one.
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I found out about lotus lights from 99. Now he doesn't like them. Canadians
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I know. When I first talked about Lotus Lights here, you guys thought I was the monster from outer space (no comment ).

I still like them for renos but I will throw in cans when possible. Part of the reason now is cost. A can and a 5/6” trim is the same price as a Cooper or Lithonia clamp light. If you add in the cost of the rough in ring for the clamp light, your cost goes up and you’re still dicking around at finishing time.

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I have almost stopped using cans due to wafer LEDs. Especially where placement is critical.
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So far, the one GC guy who wants pretty much all the inside lighting to be wafer lights cuts all the ceiling holes before I return to the job after rough in. That color's my opinion of them. Right now I love the crap out of them. When I have to cut all the holes, I'm gonna change my opinion.
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I know. When I first talked about Lotus Lights here, you guys thought I was the monster from outer space (no comment ).
When you first talked about pancake/wafer lights they were $60 each and we couldn't get them here.

Now that they are $25 on the high end and sometimes as low as $13 on Amazon shipped next day, they are great.
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So far, the one GC guy who wants pretty much all the inside lighting to be wafer lights cuts all the ceiling holes before I return to the job after rough in. That color's my opinion of them. Right now I love the crap out of them. When I have to cut all the holes, I'm gonna change my opinion.
On new work I agree that using conventional cans makes it easier because they cut the holes.

But for what it's worth, a grit holesaw, a dust bowl, and a 5 gallon bucket let you make the holes super quick and easy without much dust at all. If you are a man's height you don't even need a ladder for 8' ceilings.
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On new work I agree that using conventional cans makes it easier because they cut the holes.

But for what it's worth, a grit holesaw, a dust bowl, and a 5 gallon bucket let you make the holes super quick and easy without much dust at all. If you are a man's height you don't even need a ladder for 8' ceilings.
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