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Old 07-26-2020, 12:24 AM   #21
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This is very common in Southern California. Pretty much any neighborhood older than 1970 has something similar.
This is most definitely not common to see here. This is the first house in the city I've seen with a POA higher than the secondaries on a hydro pole.

I've seen a few in the country where its a long run of triplex so it's above the minimum height after sagging, but in the city it's just weird...
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Old 07-26-2020, 12:32 AM   #22
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This is most definitely not common to see here. This is the first house in the city I've seen with a POA higher than the secondaries on a hydro pole.

I've seen a few in the country where its a long run of triplex so it's above the minimum height after sagging, but in the city it's just weird...
Most are definitely not higher than the secondaries but our POCO poles are a taller than the ones pictured. Depending on the building I do see some coming through the roof on 2 story buildings. On taller buildings they try to attach to the side if possible. The local POCO's pretty much demand on anything newer that is fed overhead that it must be at a location closest to the pole and does not go over the building. So they do sometimes have to go through the roof.
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Old 07-26-2020, 05:30 AM   #23
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Wrongun, nevermind. We need to use ringless and lever bypass equipment. Much more expensive.
When I was an electrical inspector I had a inspection where the contractor installed a 9 gang system. I was a nice clean install but he bought his equipment from HD on line and it did not conform to local codes. Not ringless and no lever bypass.

This is $500

It is ringless style with horn bypass. I will check with utility if they want a lever.


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See NEC 210.25 (B)

The lighting you mention , any common are smoke alarms, outdoor lighting (if its a common yard etc.) would need to be separately metered.
Used to get away with "owner occupied" but not so much anymore.

Meter will need a bypass.

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This is dependent upon interpretation by the AHJ. This could mean separate meter or panel. It could also be waived.


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Just a thought. Does 210.25 apply to a house that is divided into two or does it only apply to a legally defined two family dwelling? A house that is truly divided needs fire walls and all the other necessary separations otherwise it is just a single family house with two panels. The panels / service disconnects have to be grouped together and not one upstairs and one downstairs. Many people take a high ranch and divide it into illegal apartments. This is not a two family dwelling.
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This is dependent upon interpretation by the AHJ. This could mean separate meter or panel. It could also be waived.


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I’m installing a common meter and panel on this job and rewiring all common circuits. It’s required if there are common areas.

The utility book is confusing as far as bypassing goes. It reads as if they only consider levers as bypasses.

It’s required in commercial and residential only if a common meter is present.

$1300 meter socket w/Lever

I’m still going to ask if Horn is acceptable.


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I’m installing a common meter and panel on this job and rewiring all common circuits. It’s required if there are common areas.

The utility book is confusing as far as bypassing goes. It reads as if they only consider levers as bypasses.

It’s required in commercial and residential only if a common meter is present.

$1300 meter socket w/Lever

I’m still going to ask if Horn is acceptable.


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A lever bypass is for locking jaw pans. In order to bypass and remove the meter you must remove the cover. Then swing the bypass handle to release the meter.

There are two ways power passes through the meter socket.

-with the cover off and bypass handle in the up position

-meter installed with the handle down.

Handle down locks the meter in. The bypass also allows meter changes without service interruption.


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Because I really don’t want to touch the riser I went with the Siemens Power Mod Assemblies.
Lever bypass on the common.



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