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Old 11-04-2018, 02:14 PM   #1
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Default Resi guys, favorite panel brand?

I'm planning on upgrading my 60A to 200A and relocating it to the garage on the opposite side of the house. Undecided on interior or exterior (brick) wall of the garage, its common here to have them outside, but probably for install convenience by the meter.

I want to make it easy to modify for either for back up generator or even PV in the future. Brands/models would be appreciated.

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Old 11-04-2018, 02:20 PM   #2
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This is almost like discussing politics or religion. Everybody has their own opinion and are strongly set in their ways.

I have never seen any benefit from using a more expensive panel such as a Square D QO or Cutler Hammer CH. I generally install Siemens brand panels because a lot of the supply houses stock them. I also install Square D Homeline when it works better in that situation.

One thing that you should consider is that anything more than 30 circuits in a panel is getting a bit tight and sloppy. So if you have a lot of circuits, I would install 2 30 space panels. Save space in the main panel for larger loads like future solar, electric cars, etc.
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I am not particularly loyal, but we install almost exclusively Siemens panels for resi work. The only reason is that the supplier for them is close and they have good inventory.

When the time arises, we will match what may be existing in another part of the home or if we are doing a larger panel we will match for breakers if they are in good shape.

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Old 11-04-2018, 03:12 PM   #4
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It is usually Siemens or Homeline, that is what the supply houses I use stock.

I don't think I have installed a CH/BR panel since I have had my own shop, come to think of it we never installed them at the other shops I worked for either.

Both Siemens and Homeline stuff is good quality, I rarely have issues with either of them.
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Also Siemans and HO! more siemans in the past, more HO nowadays. And some BR, I learned to hate Bryant after putting many in so evidently Cutler-Hammer made some improvements

I don't like ge

Seen CH and QO panels with breakers coming loose of stabs, especially older panels with missing covers (CH would sell cover separate from panel, so there are many around here that never had a cover)
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:21 PM   #6
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Eim a Pirate, soo's me favrite panels are Eaton Br's. What? Yuu doin't like that?
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I think CH BR is pretty much the same a Siemens and Homeline.

One thing that I like is that the Homelines are available here in 30/60 panels, which means plenty of neutral and ground spaces.

The Siemens available around here are generally 30/30 panels which means never enough neutral spaces and you need a ground bar anyway. That $8 really eats into my profit.
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Big Question: Who here has ever had a panel failure before the one year warranty is up? Me neither, never happened. In 42 years of work it never happened. And after they pass the one year warranty? F'em all but six boys, you need to keep the six to carry the coffin........
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The only problem that I have ever had with a new panel that I installed was a CH-CH panel in which the breakers just popped off. They would not stay on the bus, they might hold for a couple seconds and then would just pop off. I searched and found MDShunk talking about it many years ago on another forum.

It really turned me off the CH-CH.
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I personally like the low trip curves on Square D. Don't know that it actually matters, because all brands sold today meet the listing requirements, but it's a feel good thing to me.

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I like Square D QO because you can get a copper bus if you order the right ones. They finally came up with 2 pole AFCIs for MWBCs.

Oh and I am from Milwaukee so go Brewers for what its worth.

They still do not offer a EUSERC panel though.


The Seimens panels have a partial copper bus, but the bus on the POCO side is Aluminium connected with sheet metal screws.

CH CH sounds interesting.

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I personally like the low trip curves on Square D. Don't know that it actually matters, because all brands sold today meet the listing requirements, but it's a feel good thing to me.

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Same. Regardless of application we now install predominantly Square-D. We do have some temp services built with GE panels, which is nice, because the carpenters never bitch about breakers tripping.
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I like having a MDP for all the heavier loads and a MLO for all the lighting & receptacle branch circuits in a single family. It just makes for easier working in the panels.


As to inside or outside, inside sure is nicer at 3am during a storm when you want to know why that one circuit is dead.


As to the ATS that would be easier outside but I'd still put everything inside.


As to brand, whatever is going to have parts immediately available in your area when you need something as others have said.
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This is almost like discussing politics or religion. Everybody has their own opinion and are strongly set in their ways.

I have never seen any benefit from using a more expensive panel such as a Square D QO or Cutler Hammer CH. I generally install Siemens brand panels because a lot of the supply houses stock them. I also install Square D Homeline when it works better in that situation.

One thing that you should consider is that anything more than 30 circuits in a panel is getting a bit tight and sloppy. So if you have a lot of circuits, I would install 2 30 space panels. Save space in the main panel for larger loads like future solar, electric cars, etc.
Come on Hax, you and I both know the FPE is the go to brand.
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I go with Siemens 90% of the time. I like their neutral set up way way better than qo. I only use the copper buss though.
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I don’t do residential, but when I put in a lighting panel I generally want a CH series panel. I like the way they’re put together, the bus issue is a new one to me. Was it one of those we made a bad run kind of things?
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Leviton.

Just kidding.

Siemens. I used to be QO but I had a run of bad breakers. I don't give a rat's ass about copper buss. I never even thought about it before ET.
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Leviton.

Just kidding.

Siemens. I used to be QO but I had a run of bad breakers. I don't give a rat's ass about copper buss. I never even thought about it before ET.
Yeah, you can't even get the PL copper bus Siemens panels from supply houses around here because only homeowners would buy them.

The only thing that they have are the ES series, but those don't have enough neutral spaces, which is why I like the Sq D Homeline 30/60 panels.
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Homeline. Cheapest and most readily available where I was last time I needed one. I don't install panels often.
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Yeah, you can't even get the PL copper bus Siemens panels from supply houses around here because only homeowners would buy them.

The only thing that they have are the ES series, but those don't have enough neutral spaces, which is why I like the Sq D Homeline 30/60 panels.
The copper is something like $6 more, hell why not?
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