[Doobster08]

Dead end 3 way, suicide, whatever u want to call it. Rumor has it u can no longer do it. Each box has to have a neutral in it? Code change? Where can I find it? Thanks guys.

 

[Pete m.]

404.2(C) in the 2014 NEC

Pete

 

[CADPoint]

404.2(C) in the 2014 NEC

That just shows how stupid the Index is in the Box, no direct listing
as shown above under Neutral in the book!

 

[Doobster08]

404.2(C) in the 2014 NEC Pete

thank you sir

 

[Dennis Alwon]

That just shows how stupid the Index is in the Box, no direct listing
as shown above under Neutral in the book!

It's not about the neutral it is about the switch and what the NEC requires for it. The book ain't easy to understand for sure

 

[cal1947]

cal1947

It's not about the neutral it is about the switch and what the NEC requires for it. The book ain't easy to understand for sure

it was in 2011 code book

 

[Deep Cover]

it was in 2011 code book

You're kidding?

 

[Next72969]

You're kidding?

i dontbelieve so

 

[Dennis Alwon]

it was in 2011 code book

Yes I know-- not sure what I said that prompted your response.

My point was the code section is in the art. about switches not in the article about neutrals

 

[chicken steve]

Yes it is Denny

and like you said, it's not there because of a noodle......... it's there because of the dimmer cabal needing one .......~CS~

 

[oldtimer]

yes it is denny

and like you said, it's not there because of a noodle......... It's there because of the dimmer cable needing one .......~cs~

fify.

 

[LGLS]

It'll make future computer controlled integration easier. More work for us.

 

[randas]

Dead end 3 way, suicide, whatever u want to call it. Rumor has it u can no longer do it. Each box has to have a neutral in it? Code change? Where can I find it? Thanks guys.

You can still do a dead end, use a 4 wire

 

[Pete m.]

The way the code section is written "almost" makes it impossible not to comply. Even if you don't provide the neutral of the branch circuit in the switch outlet.

Pete

 

[retiredsparktech]

You can still do a dead end, use a 4 wire

What good is the neutral going to do, if the switch is on the load side of the three way circuit, unless you're going to run another load, from the switch arrangement. :001_huh:

 

[Pete m.]

What good is the neutral going to do, if the switch is on the load side of the three way circuit, unless you're going to run another load, from the switch arrangement. :001_huh:

The neutral is only there to accomodate actual currents that were traveling on the grounding conductor prior to the code change.

Pete

 

[99cents]

What good is the neutral going to do, if the switch is on the load side of the three way circuit, unless you're going to run another load, from the switch arrangement. :001_huh:

Neutral required for smart switches. No such thing as three ways or four ways; it's a programming function.

 

[sparky970]

I was involved in a 3 way back feed, once

 

[TGGT]

If I recall correctly you're only required to pull a neutral to a switch box if it won't be convenient to do so in the future, like if you're pulling romex or MC. Conduit you wouldn't need to because you could add it later.

 

[ablyss]

Yeah, lot of DIY's can't find a neutral for their smart switch so they use the system ground. New code addresses this by requiring a neutral for all switches unless in pipe or can be added later.