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#1 ·
Just got into laybor history for local 363 Hudson valley ny
. So basically I'll have to go to school for s year and learn history of the local and after I compleate it.

I will get swarm in as 1st year app

Can't wait to start school in sept .
This is a dream come true I love the ibew and the futur they give us .

Do any other locals do laybor histor befor letting be indentured ?

I already have 5 years and have to start over but I don't mind I'm happy for opportunities that will come from this new adventure
 
#4 ·
Thank you I'm so excited to join the brotherhood .

I have a lot of questions this is all new to me .

Everyone from my non union shop said I was crazy from going from 28ph to 12 ph but I know it's worth it .
I almost cried when I got my letter telling me I got into laybor history .

I know 363 books are cleared right know so it's a good time to join
 
#11 ·
Local 363:

IBEW Local 363 members are still at work on the new Tappan Zee Bridge and everything is going along according to schedule.

The craftsmanship and expertise is second to none and will be a monument to the IBEW and Local 363 for generations to come.

As our other large projects start to develop, we expect to have many job opportunities for local workers and our IBEW Brothers out there. We are on the mark and active.
 
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yes I've heard that our brothers are doing an excellent job on the bridge . A lot of pride going into the project . Plus they have a big casino going up . And a lego box goin through as well not to mention 363 has a lot of pull in their territory
I've heard from many brothers it is an excellent local to be in .

So I'm excited to start can't wait .
 
#20 ·
I'm not aggressive, I just don't believe you.

How can a labor union guarantee work?

Nothing you have posted shows where there is a guarantee of work.

Yes, I know that apprentices are cheap and usually always work. However, that doesn't mean that there will definitely always be work for them. As I explained, my local had over 100 apprentices out at one point, even though before and after they had 100% employment.

So again I will ask you to show me I writing where there is a guarantee hat all apprentices will always work, and explain how that is possible if there is no work for them.
 
#21 · (Edited)
Did you even read what I put above? Did you visit the website of the Joint Industry Board of the Electrical Industry? Why don't you ask one of your Business Representatives if they know anything about Local 3's policy? I'm sure someone will point you in the right direction.

Now, that being said HW, I don't believe ANY answer will be good enough for you. You have already made your mind up that you are right and I am wrong. Even though I have presented you with more than enough information to make my point.

At this point, I have done my due diligence with regards to answering your question. Local 3 IBEW was the first Local in the United States to guarantee apprentices continuous work throughout their tenure. If your individual local does not have that, I'm sorry but that doesn't affect the fact that we, and others, do in fact have that. Your disbelief has been presented with proof of our policy, and yet you think I'm lying lol.

We also were the first Local in the United States to have a work share program (yes...furlough) and guess what? Locals around the country have been implementing it over the last 8yrs because it works in some jurisdictions. If we can make it work with 15,000 A Journeymen, I'm sure it can do something to help out Locals with 1500. In LU#3 we have 15k AJ's, 10K MJ's, 2K Apprentices, and approx 3K Administrative Workers. That's approximately 30,000 Local 3 members and their families covered.

My question to you is, how many total apprentices do you have that 100 were out of work? I'm not being facetious here, I'm asking a genuine question.

I doubt you're interested but here's a link to our website where you find out more of what we have going on:

https://www.local3ibew.org/

Have a great day, it's beautiful outside!
 
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#22 · (Edited)
Did you even read what I put above? Did you visit the website of the Joint Industry Board of the Electrical Industry?
Yes, I did. As I mentioned, no where does it state a guarantee nor the necessary system that would support said guarantee (ie. "If there is no work in the field, apprentices would work at the hall and be paid out of the general fund" for example.)

There is no guarantee of work for apprentices in Local 3, if there is no work, apprentices will sit just like in every other local in the world.

Why don't you ask one of your Business Representatives if they know anything about Local 3's policy?
Why would I? First of all it is Saturday. Second of all, YOU made the assertion of this impossible guarantee, so I am simply asking YOU to either show it in writing, or admit it's just gossip based on assumption.

Now, that being said HW, I don't believe ANY answer will be good enough for you.
If you show me the guarantee that you said is in place, I will admit I was wrong about it. It's as simple as that. So instead of talking around the issue, why don't you just post the bylaws/agreement where this guarantee and it's system are written?? The answer: because there is no such guarantee.

At this point, I have done my due diligence with regards to answering your question.
No, you haven't. You said there was a guarantee, I asked you to show me where in writing, you still haven't shown me. You haven't done anything to prove this guarantee other than link to pages which absolutely don't state any guarantee in any way, shape or form.

Local 3 IBEW was the first Local in the United States to guarantee apprentices continuous work throughout their tenure.
If this were true, you would easily be able to show me this. Why haven't you?

Why is it so difficult for you to just show any type of written evidence of this guarantee??
We also were the first Local in the United States to have a work share program (yes...furlough)
Yes, and that furlough is written out clearly. You see how that works? Furlough is real. Guarantee of work is not real.

I will await you to not post any proof but continue to lie about the guarantee, since we both know that is what you are going to do.
 
#23 ·
Did you understand the first sentence of the JIB Apprenticeship Page?

The Apprentice Program of the Electrical Industry of IBEW Local Union No. 3 includes a minimum of 35 hours per week on-the-job training for four years plus the following requirements:[

The only entity empowered to make that statement is the Joint Industry Board's Apprentice Committee. There is your first black and white. I will continue this later.
 
#24 ·
Did you understand the first sentence of the JIB Apprenticeship Page?

The Apprentice Program of the Electrical Industry of IBEW Local Union No. 3 includes a minimum of 35 hours per week on-the-job training for four years plus the following requirements:[
I did. That's not in any agreement, it is one person's understanding of it, who then wrote it on a webpage.

My local says the same thing, "Apprentices receive 8 hours classroom training and a minimum of 32 hours OTJ (On The Job) training per week."

It only means that they normally work 32 hours per week, but they could work more due to overtime.

It is NOT a guarantee that an apprentice will always work. Even now that there is a lot of work in the territory, an apprentice may still sit for a few weeks between jobs depending on available work.

This is getting ridiculous. If there is no work, where is the apprentice going to work?!?!?!?!
 
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You see, this is where you are full of sh1t:

When there is NO work, those Apprentices are sent to other shops
If there is no work, then there are no shops to send the apprentices to. No where is there a guarantee of work.

There is always somewhere to send Apprentices because there is always a call for them.
And the same thing was said for my local, it was unheard of for apprentices to be out of work, up until 2008. Just because there has always been a call for apprentices in your local, it does not mean that apprentices are guaranteed work by the union.

This is ludicrous for you to even say it. That's why I questioned it from the second I read it, because it makes absolutely no sense. No labor union guarantees work open ended and without limits like this, there is no reason to do it and no way that it could be guaranteed.

The fact of the matter is that local 3 does not have any guarantee for the apprentices to always work. If times get slow enough, apprentices will sit out. You made lies here that you can't backup.

This is truly mind-boggling. Every guarantee has to have some type of system or structure in place, especially one of this magnitude that involves 2000 apprentices being guaranteed work without any limit, which constitutes tens of millions of dollars. There has to be something written, spelling out how it would work. Who would pay, who would be responsible to take apprentices, etc. But no, you say that it will work "because there is always a call for apprentices", while co pletely ignoring the fact that there very well might not always be a call for apprentices.


who the hell are you to dismiss anyone on this forum?
You made a really ignorant and outrageous statement. I am the guy asking you to prove it.

You made a long post attacking me and deflecting from the topic. You and everyone else know that if this was a guarantee, it would be easy for you to copy and paste right out of the bylaws/agreement. Instead, you bastardized words that someone paraphrased on a website.

I will leave it to you, it's your choice whether you show the proof or admit to lying.

And if you want to talk about Local 102, I will be happy to answer all your questions just as soon as you answer the question I have asked you from the beginning, prove the guarantee.
 
#29 ·
If there is no work, then there are no shops to send the apprentices to. No where is there a guarantee of work.

That may be true in your neck of the woods, but certainly not here in NYC. We have a lock on our Jurisdiction and are making strides to help out other Locals. If there is no work in your Jurisdiction, I would elect different officers, and change the working agreement with the contractors because something is definitely wrong. There is work out there and if your contractors aren't going for it, then the unorganised will take it. That happened to Westchester, NY. What happened...Local 3 had to take them over...because they were falling apart. So if your Local is in bad shape like that...fix your own house before you cry foul of others houses.

The fact of the matter is that local 3 does not have any guarantee for the apprentices to always work. If times get slow enough, apprentices will sit out. You made lies here that you can't backup.

We'll see Monday, I will get to the bottom of it. If I am wrong, I will be the first to say so. I did not "bastardise" anything from the Joint Industry Board website, I actually cut and pasted on page 1 of this thread. But I'll put it here once again.

The Apprentice Program of the Electrical Industry of IBEW Local Union No. 3 includes a minimum of 35 hours per week on-the-job training for four years plus the following requirements:
Mandatory attendance at related instruction for four (4) hours per week;
Classroom instruction in Electrical Theory; and
Three (3) hours per week in college courses leading to an associate degree.


You made a really ignorant and outrageous statement. I am the guy asking you to prove it.

Ignorant? Again, who the f.u.c.k. are you to call anyone ignorant and who the f.u.c.k. made you think in any world YOU get to dismiss anyone? LOL you're a legend in your own mind man, you really are. If I am mistaken about this, I can say with complete actuality that OUR Apprentices are kept working no matter how bad times have been. Including the 1970's, the 1990's, and from 2009-2013 when we had our worst run since the 1970's. During all these times our Apprentices were never, not once, unemployed. Only AJ's were.


You made a long post attacking me and deflecting from the topic.

What nonsense are you spouting now? I made it very clear from the beginning of this discourse that I was being civil. YOU initiated this with your aggressive behaviour. Once again, whether YOU believe that Local 3 keeps our Apprentices working or not is not my problem. I didn't attack you, I clearly said I was DONE with being civil to you. Then I gave you back what you spouted. What's the matter, you can call someone a liar but not take his response to that? LOL once again, piece of work...Now you go and spout this bull**** about me deflecting? That's strange, for anyone reading from the beginning, it's clear I was trying to be as clear as possible and as cordial as possible. You took this to the level of unwarranted aggression HW, not I. Now that this is done, I am done. Monday I will speak to the Apprentice Director and the Historian and see what I can find. Being a gentleman and man of my word, I will post the results here no matter what.
 
#30 ·
Dude, shut the hell up already. You are attacking me, my local, my business agents, yet you won't answer my simple question.

You made a stupid and ignorant statement and when asked to prove it you decided to lie and be deceitful. There is no guarantee of work, nothing you say about NYC or the amount of work you have or the amount of money being spent will change that.

You could have 20 Local 3 guys come here and say the same thing, it won't matter. What you said is the same gossip that you hear ignorant union guys saying, like how you can only run 100' of pipe before needing a pullbox. The different is that once they can't find it in code they admit they are wrong. But you won't do that.

The advertisement on the website for the program saying 35 hours is no different than my local saying a minimum of 32 hours, which I quoted for you. That does NOT comsitute a guarantee of any type.

You keep bringing up how your apprentices have had full employment as if that means something, it doesn't. It is completely meaningless in this discussion about a guarantee of employment. You sound like an old lady with knob and tube wiring saying that her house hasn't burned down yet. Is that a guarantee that it never will? No, just like there is no guarantee that your apprentices will always work.

I asked from the very beginning, show me where it is written and explain the system that would support such a huge and super expensive guarantee. You still have not done that in all your many posts and 50,000 essays deflecting from those 2 answers.

Don't bother speaking to your historican or your apprenticeship director, nothing you say that they tell you will matter. The ONLY thing that matters is what is written in the bylaws/contract. Nothing else is enforceable or applicable and you know it. If there was a guarantee it would be written there. Show me this guarantee or admit you are full of sh1t.
 
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