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A week of grounds

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Title should have been week of grounds



Monday

Had a job testing distribution feeders for a new data center,
1st set of feeders was a 3-phase 4-wire 2000 amp feeder, 5-sets of 600-kcmil, DEAD short phase to phase, phase to ground I have never seen this on a new installation, so before contacting the contractor, I decided to triple check everything, I could not find any issues. Finally decided to involve the contractor, we isolated all feeders and conductors and rang everyone out. What had happened was the supply house set parallel feeders out, gray one end yellow other, brown one end orange the other, yellow one end brown the other, orange one end gray the other. This has been a high pressure job 80+ hours a week 35 guys during the week 50-70 on the weekend, fast track.

Anyway reconnected and everything megged fine.

Tuesday:

Went to a job to test a new service main with GFP protection, Megger, micro-ohm and test the GFP at all factory presets for current and timed operation at as found delay. The neutral was bonded to ground on the load side of the residual neutral CT, A NEC violation and will affect the GFP operation with possible Main trips under normal operation and desensitizing during fault conditions. I told the contractor they need to relocate this connection, they informed me the electrical inspector requires them to ground this way and they have done numerous services like this (Not to mention the other contractors in the same area). Now I'll need to contact the inspection department and make friends I guess.


Wednesday

Had a call to check a UPS that would not go to bypass when on generator, found the system input side distribution was a 3-phase 4-wire wire but all loads were distributed at 480 VAC 3-phase 3-wire, when on generator voltage was phase to phase A/B-480, B/C-480, C/A-480, phase to ground A-0, B-480, C-480. Obvious answer is ungrounded generator. Sure enough checked the generator and the neutral was not bonded, with no neutral to the building this was expected based upon the voltage. I isolated all the loads and megged the feeders A-10,000 ohms, B-540 meg-ohms, C-612 meg-ohms. Long conduit runs and a pain to repull, decided to open all J-boxes to look for possible ground connection. I Found a split bolt connector on A phase shorted to ground, and evidence of past fault at this location, which most likely is from a B or C phase fault downstream at some point.

This is a very tight 12x12 trough, I will put a 36x36x12 extension on the box and install Polaris taps.

Not sure what Thursday has instore but one thing for sure I will not look at any ground connections.
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Don't suppose you have a picture of the faulted bug, do you?

I'm curious to know how much time you have wrapped up in this troubleshooting so far? I'm imagining that's a good day's work.
Pictures on Friday.
1st set of feeders was a 3-phase 4-wire 2000 amp feeder, 5-sets of 600-kcmil, DEAD short phase to phase, phase to ground I have never seen this on a new installation,
Yeah... the first thing I'd be thinking would be a serious scuff in the conductors someplace. Metal debris in pipe, etc. I wouldn't have immediately thought of mis-marked conductors that ended up getting mis-terminated. There's one to file away in the memory banks. Thanks for that.
You ain't kiddin'! I'm jumpy enough anyway terminating big pulls I sometimes double check twice BEFORE the wire goes under the terminations. I'd probably cry if the supply house screwed it up!:mad:
2000amps with a bolted fault, now that would be a pretty loud boom.

I don't care how fast a job is, but you always ring out equipment before you call it done
You aint kidding that would be the worst, true bolted faults are rare but this one was the bomb.
Brian
Some of your posts/pictures should be mandatory reading for journeyman in our industry.
There was a new 4000 amp, 480 volt service installation...no testing provided before start up.
They tried to energize the service. After the MESS, they found that they had transposed A-phase onto the Neutral buss. $285,000.00 later after clean up. I just cannot imagine how they did not even ring out the phases.
Pierre I got into this end of the business after a large electrical contractor I worked for in Washington DC loss money and time on several projects due to faults on newly installed equipment. I was very fortunate to have worked with some high quality electrical testers he had wrangled away from the local utility.

I just cannot imagine energizing a feeder, switchboard ect without meggering, the other testing would CYA (GFP micro-ohm ect)
I am involved tonite in a 12 hour (shouldn't take that long) shut down . Not too sure exaxctly what we are pulling but it is some big wire. I'm betting a hundred dollars that at BEST we will ohm everything out to make sure no one switched phases on accident and that will be it.
I am involved tonite in a 12 hour (shouldn't take that long) shut down . Not too sure exaxctly what we are pulling but it is some big wire. I'm betting a hundred dollars that at BEST we will ohm everything out to make sure no one switched phases on accident and that will be it.
That's typical procedure, and will show a crossed wire. But how do you guys check for such a problem when installing a transformer?
phase to phase (or neutral, or ground)will only read around 1 ohm due to no inductance being in the coil. Is there a tester for this Brian?
There are several test performed on transformers, A TTR (Turns ratio Tester), Megger and on large transformers power factor test. Usually on small dry type transformers we megger primary to ground. primary to secondary, lift the XO bond and megger secondary to ground. On larger dry types (500 kva and above) a TTR test will show any issues with the windings.

Additionally if we suspect anything you can use a variac on the primary (one coil at a time) dial voltage up and measure voltage on the secondary.

With a 4 to 1 transformer (typical 480 delta to 208/120 Wye) 120 VAC on the primary will give you 30 VAC on the secondary. If the field/voltage collapses or the fuse blows in the variac you have issues.

The real issue with relying on an ohm meter is the voltage is 9 VDC compared to 1000 VDC with a megger, but at a minimum the ohm meter should be utilized. I have found after doing 37 years of overtime, long days and 36 hour +days that mistakes are made.
Damn if it didn't take twelve hours!! Wrong neutral lug discovered at 3:00AM---Emergency call to supply house and 12.5 hours on the time sheet. I'm low man on totem pole so I can only suggest stuff. Any one want to guess how much testing on two parralel 500MCM runs 125 ft long? Also had 1 run 500MCM 225ft. long? Nada, zip, zilch...I'm off to bed!
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